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Old June 27th, 2003, 07:59 PM   #1
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Any additives/cleaners worth it for better performance, mileage, etc?

I just wanna know, b/c i've seen many in auto stores, what additives really are worth it for mileage and performance.....
i am talking easy stuff too, not like Seafoam which you need to step thru a whole process. i mean cleaners, fuel additives, etc.....
lemme know
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Old June 27th, 2003, 08:38 PM   #2
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anything else? lookin for a fuel additive maybe that i can add twice a year or so to clean the engine
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Old June 27th, 2003, 08:52 PM   #3
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sea foam stp air/throttle body cleaner stp fuel injector cleaner
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Old June 27th, 2003, 10:23 PM   #4
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Air filter cleaners help too. I just cleaned out my AEM SR filter and noticed a small performance boost and the intake got a little louder. If your filter is old like mine, I'd reccomend cleaning it.
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Is Amsoil that good?

I have used STP Complete fuel cleaner and have noticed better MPG and a bit more performance. But is Amsoil that much better?
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Old June 27th, 2003, 10:35 PM   #6
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lou try chevron techron, I really like that one.
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lou try chevron techron, I really like that one.
It does help but it's not enough if your engine has been neglected for 10's of thousands of miles. Only if your car is new then Chevron gas would be the only thing you would need.

Trust me an additive for older engines/cars is almost recommended.

But which is the best additive?
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Chevron Techron (its a fuel cleaner)

"Chevron Techron Fuel System Cleaner is unbeatable in cleaning the entire fuel system and restoring lost power and performance caused by deposit build-up. Cleans deposits from fuel injectors, carburetors, ports, valves and combustion chambers. Works in one tankful while you drive to reduce deposit related engine knock, ping, run-on, and cold start problems. Recommended for use every 3,000 miles. One bottle treats up to 12 gallons"

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Chevron Techron (its a fuel cleaner)

I had no idea they made this. I thought you were talking about the gas .

But it's only up to a 12 gallon tank. Would I need two of these to work in my car?
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yea, im just like plumaccordcoupe. I use stp as well. But there are TONS of different companies making this stuff. Like for example, Valvoline has a new complete fuel system cleaner which has synthetics fpr "better cleaning". I use stp gas treatment, stp fuel injector cleaner, and outlaw octane booster. I might try that valvoline things soon though. And some people say this stuff is bad for the sensors, cat converter, and other stuff (BULL!) only the ones pulled of the shelf like zmax and slick50 are bad. This stuff keeps your engine healthy, like Vitamins.
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believe me try the chevron techron, and I think you will like it. They also have a jumbo sized one.
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No. Save your money.

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believe me try the chevron techron, and I think you will like it. They also have a jumbo sized one.
Thanks

I just hope that jumbo sized one is not just for SUV's . I just used STP Complete Fuel System Cleaner so I will have to wait 4000 miles (how long STP lasts according to bottle) before I use something else.

But is Amsoil better? And yes that will require someone besides Abram2001 to answer this .
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i would not use any addictive products...they just aren't worth it. you may notice performance increase....but at what cost to your motor
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No. Save your money.

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Crestgel, every 50k (yes, fiftyK) miles right BEFORE an oil change I will do a bottle of Techron. It's likely useless, as modern gas has so many detergents and is so well blended that fuel system deposits simply don't happen any more.

At 100k I would think about doing a decarb, through a process a little more involved than the simple "suck SeaFoam into intake" idea. Pull the plugs, fill each cylinder with GM Top Engine Cleaner, wait 12 hours, crank the engine over with rags in the spark tubes to blow out most of the cleaner, replace plugs, run, watch it smoke like crazy, then DO AN OIL CHANGE before even driving it.

Lumpy, if you ever get your oil analyzed, I'm willing to bet your running a filter 10-12k miles has done irreversible permanent damage to your bearings. Regardless of oil, filter MUST be changed every 3k, otherwise after it clogs, it goes into full bypass (bypass valve always open) so it doesn't filter any more.

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well, after all this, i decided on the Chevron Techron, and will be putting it in when my tank is nearly empty.....
i'll let u guys know how it turns out........
thanx again guys!
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Crestgel, every 50k (yes, fiftyK) miles right BEFORE an oil change I will do a bottle of Techron. It's likely useless, as modern gas has so many detergents and is so well blended that fuel system deposits simply don't happen any more.

At 100k I would think about doing a decarb, through a process a little more involved than the simple "suck SeaFoam into intake" idea. Pull the plugs, fill each cylinder with GM Top Engine Cleaner, wait 12 hours, crank the engine over with rags in the spark tubes to blow out most of the cleaner, replace plugs, run, watch it smoke like crazy, then DO AN OIL CHANGE before even driving it.

Lumpy, if you ever get your oil analyzed, I'm willing to bet your running a filter 10-12k miles has done irreversible permanent damage to your bearings. Regardless of oil, filter MUST be changed every 3k, otherwise after it clogs, it goes into full bypass (bypass valve always open) so it doesn't filter any more.

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I agree on all this except one fact.......

Although most gasolines have detergents already mixed in, when a new shipment of fuel comes in, it mixes and kicks up all the sediments that was on the floor of the underground reservoir. It takes some time for the sediment to sink to the bottom. If you are at a gas station and notice a fuel tanker/truck filling the gas station up, I suggest you run. I had a bad experience, and learned my lesson. You really dont need to clean out ur injectors always, but I dont see any harm in doing so either. Its a good preventive maintenance. I always use a bottle at every oil change.
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abram2001, fuel injector cleaner will do NOTHING against sediment. That never gets to the injectors, and the ONLY way to clear it is to change the fuel filter.

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Lumpy, AMSoil is excellent oil! However, if you read their info, even at 100% more capacity than "other" filters, that'd mean 6k miles. Something doesn't jive in their marketing drivel.

Regardless, it's your engine, do as you'd like. I recommend against it.

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abram2001, fuel injector cleaner will do NOTHING against sediment. That never gets to the injectors, and the ONLY way to clear it is to change the fuel filter.

Sam

lol, who said anything about sediments getting into the fuel injector, all I said is if anyone sees the truck at the gas station, then run.

But still, some thick hydro carbons will seep through a fiter, they are not 100% perfect, and in time will clog the injector ball and plunger.

Its better to be safe than sorry.
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You want to tell me how a thick hydrocarbon is going to stay a distinct separate entity from thinner hydrocarbon solvents surrounding it? Add the fact that injector pressure is 30+ psi in fluid, and there's no way for injectors to ever clog with modern gas. Do what you will - it's your money. The pictures of a "clogged injector spray pattern" on all the TV ads are complete bull, a situation like that simply doesn't exist.

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hmmm, good point sam. I will take what you said and do some research, you make a good point.

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You want to tell me how a thick hydrocarbon is going to stay a distinct separate entity from thinner hydrocarbon solvents surrounding it? Add the fact that injector pressure is 30+ psi in fluid, and there's no way for injectors to ever clog with modern gas. Do what you will - it's your money. The pictures of a "clogged injector spray pattern" on all the TV ads are complete bull, a situation like that simply doesn't exist.

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i agree 100% with sam
also notice that we don have to change the fuel filter(its built inside the fuel tank), what does that tell you? simply that now days car makers know how much of purification fuel goes through.
therefore no need to worry about clogged fuel injector.

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...I only change my oil every 20-25,000 miles...
if you are seriously doing this than good luck with your car bro
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Old June 29th, 2003, 09:47 PM   #25
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I used something made by CD2.

i chose the one that was NOT STREET LEGAL. because it came in a hot orange color bottle and anything NOT STREET LEGAL had to be badass.

It had some kind of chemical MMT, dont know what it is but thats what makes it illegal for street use. Still used it anyways, car stopped vibrating/shaking steering wheel, lot smoother as well. But its 5-6 bucks a bottle, something i dont have money for.


Im going to do some Sea Foam at 50k miles.
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Engine additives aren't recommended by Honda but fuel system cleaners and intake/throttle body cleaners are not in that category.

From my experience, the fuel system cleaner helps some but not a whole lot. If you use gas consistently from one gas station (that's reputable) or that same brand, then you shouldn't have problems clogging your injectors or coating your valves. What you have to worry is when you use questionable gas and get a bad tank of gas. I use Chevron Techron as well. But I wouldn't use it every oil change as they recommend. If the fuel system cleaner is strong enough, it can wear out the metal sooner if there weren't enough deposits to clean in the first place. Maybe once every 3 years? I don't know.

Intake/TB cleaners are pretty useful if you notice that your engine has some lag in acceleration. It could be due to your plugs but also that your throttle isn't as responding as crisp and immediate as your right foot is telling it to. But the interval for intake cleaner is questionable. I haven't done it yet on my ~37K mile engine but I will soon. I did it on my sister's 98 Civic with 75K miles and boy a lot of smoke came out. The throttle response was of course much more immediate. I used Gumout brand but they don't sell these anymore. Anyone know why?
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i havent used n e ting in my 2 accords that i own...
i have 00 ex sedan wit 47 thousand miles but i only fill up chevron or 76's... an never had a problem wit the car an it still runs strong

an on my 02 ex5speed.. 13,500 miles.. an it still goes perfectly fine... i only fill up chevron or 76 once or twice i have put in alil of shell but thats it...
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If you use gas consistently from one gas station (that's reputable) or that same brand, then you shouldn't have problems clogging your injectors or coating your valves.
This is the WORST thing you can do, you want to fill up from different gas stations and different brands, because not every gas company's detergent blend is the same, so deposits that one brand of gas may not totally clean up will be cleaned up by another brand.

I NEVER fill up twice in a row from the same place.

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watttttttt thas crazy...

i juss look fo the cheapest gas. (ARCO)
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You want to tell me how a thick hydrocarbon is going to stay a distinct separate entity from thinner hydrocarbon solvents surrounding it? Add the fact that injector pressure is 30+ psi in fluid, and there's no way for injectors to ever clog with modern gas. Do what you will - it's your money. The pictures of a "clogged injector spray pattern" on all the TV ads are complete bull, a situation like that simply doesn't exist.

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This is a very good point sam . Bu this doesn't explain how I gradually got better MPG after using STP complete. My car had over 50,000 miles on it when I started to use this.

Your going to have to give me more info to convince me your point is correct .
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