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Old April 23rd, 2004, 04:55 AM   #121
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you forgot 5gen AV6 to list; I know its Legend G1 stuff in it.
Oops , yea I meant to include the 5th gen AV6 which I'm pretty sure had the G2 Legend tranny in it.


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BTW, did anybody noticed that high rate failures only happens with transmission mated to engine with VTEC?
I never thought of it that way but now that you mention it, that does seem to be the case, doesn't it?
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Old April 23rd, 2004, 05:02 AM   #122
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I never thought of it that way but now that you mention it, that does seem to be the case, doesn't it?


But I'm sure itís just a coincidence. The transmissions are not failing because the engine has Vtec in it .
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Old April 23rd, 2004, 08:29 AM   #123
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I think it has something to do with VTEC.

Remember two guys with turbo (LIAccord and other), both of them had almost immediate (in one or two month) problem with transmissions, but guys with superchargers (we have plenty of them) who put close to 20K ml on supercharger and have no problems with transmission.

Difference between turbocharger and supercharger that power from supercharger come out very linear, when power from turbocharger come out as spike. Power curve on engines with VTEC also spiky (as with turbocharger), it goes up rapidly upon VTEC engagement.
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Hmmm, never thought about it like that. It's a possibility but IMO the transmission should still be able to handle the VTEC spike .
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Old April 23rd, 2004, 10:22 PM   #125
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Since the supercharged guys actually have TORQUE that means less prodding and constant downshifting in daily grind traffic like in an NA J30A1. That puts less strain on the clutch packs which are the primary weak spot in the tranny.

hmmmmmmmmmmmm........


Save your tranny, but a supercharger.



The scary thing is, there might actually be some truth to that.
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Old April 24th, 2004, 12:37 AM   #126
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I thought torque was hurting it since torque produces heat.
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Old April 24th, 2004, 09:24 AM   #127
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I thought torque was hurting it since torque produces heat.

SC'ed AV6 have tranny coolers to reduce heat.
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Old April 24th, 2004, 09:30 AM   #128
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Since the supercharged guys actually have TORQUE that means less prodding and constant downshifting in daily grind traffic like in an NA J30A1. That puts less strain on the clutch packs which are the primary weak spot in the tranny.

hmmmmmmmmmmmm........


Save your tranny, but a supercharger.



The scary thing is, there might actually be some truth to that.

So, instead of buying Dr. Evil transmission for $4500 everybody should get them self a Comptech supercharger for $3300.

Isnít it hilarious way to save money?

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Old April 24th, 2004, 10:01 AM   #129
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I thought torque was hurting it since torque produces heat.
According to EricL's analysis of that 1000 page document that Honda sent to the NHTSA (A-CL.com), all of the kickdowns and shifts under load are what put so much strain on the tranny. It's all the shifting and not necessarily the power.
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Either the VTEC causes a surge of power to enter the tranny or that the 195lb-ft of torque is too much for the tranny. I just wonder how Toyota and Fords with 200lb-ft+ don't have tranny failures as much as we do!

It is a freeking joke to have a tranny go in less than 6yrs/12500mi. I can understand if netural drops caused a problem or if going 100mph and shifting into gear 1 or 2, but having failures on cars which are not driving in this manner should not cause such horrible failures.
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So if shifts are bad then maybe the new 5 speed autos are worse off.
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Either the VTEC causes a surge of power to enter the tranny or that the 195lb-ft of torque is too much for the tranny. I just wonder how Toyota and Fords with 200lb-ft+ don't have tranny failures as much as we do!
Poor clutch packs, too many 3-2 kickdowns under load causing severe overheating, and poor/inconsistent ATF (cooling) running through the trannys which means even a tranny cooler might not help. Go read the big thread that EricL posted at acura-cl.com
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Old April 24th, 2004, 01:21 PM   #133
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So if shifts are bad then maybe the new 5 speed autos are worse off.
But the new ones have ETC to cut throttle on shifts so maybe not. Before they just cut ignition timing. It still sounds like more of a bandaid though. They're still struggling as evidenced by the recent recall on the Pilot/Odyssey and MDX. Toyota/Nissan have been building sturdy auto trannys for years without needing ETC or any "special" super duty clutch packs.
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What really sucks is that the V6 Accord, even to this day, doesn't have manual (only 2003+ V6 Coupe has it optional) tranny available or even a decent quality automatic. Instead of bad mouthing it, I just want the tranny to last at least the life of the car if not the life of the car, at least 270,000+kms(170000mi+).
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Old April 28th, 2004, 06:46 PM   #135
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I have a 99 with almost 90,000 miles. All the sudden I started experiencing tranny problems. I barely made it to my local dealership which is 30 miles away. They checked it out and told me i need a new tranny. So they called there honda rep and they are giving me a new tranny, just i have to pay for labor which is only $565. Much better than $3000-5. I lucked out considering they havent even settled the dispuit yet and i have modified my car(CAI, Exhaust, etc..).
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Old April 30th, 2004, 05:23 PM   #136
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My Transmission replaced at 24,000 miles
and its going out again.
Yesterday I felt it get stuck in a gear wouldn't shift down/up. until i let off the pedal and got back on it.

It also has lag before switching gears.

Im currently at 89,494 miles on a 02 av6.
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My Transmission replaced at 24,000 miles
and its going out again.
Yesterday I felt it get stuck in a gear wouldn't shift down/up. until i let off the pedal and got back on it.

It also has lag before switching gears.

Im currently at 89,494 miles on a 02 av6.
Variance,

More then likely, it's your gearbox. I had 1 trans go at 17,000 miles. Then at 24,000 I had my gearbox (same thing, would be a pain to shift out of first). Then 2 more trannies.

I have an 02 av6 as well.
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My 01 Accord 4 cylinder's tranny went out at 28k miles, which was replaced by Factory Warranty. Then, it went out again at 75k mi...same problem, but luckily my car had an extended 100k mi warranty. Now I have reached 101k mi, as of today, and my transmission is fine, but I do worry about it...

The messed up thing is I sold my old 91 Accord because it had tranny problems...never would suspect that I would have 2 TRANSMISSION FAILURES in a BRAND NEW CAR. And I drove it like an old lady!

Still, Im Hardcore Honda ...in another 5 years, Im buying a new Honda (or a used 350Z ;P)
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and i thought the 02 supposedly had the fixed transmissions... lol
I have the 100k hondacare warranty. Im thinking of takingin my car but It doesnt act up all the time. only sometimes. So Im thinking they are gonna tell me nothing is wrong with my car.
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Originally posted by ormand on April 30th, 2004 at 09:08 PM

My 01 Accord 4 cylinder's tranny went out at 28k miles, which was replaced by Factory Warranty. Then, it went out again at 75k mi...same problem, but luckily my car had an extended 100k mi warranty. Now I have reached 101k mi, as of today, and my transmission is fine, but I do worry about it...

The messed up thing is I sold my old 91 Accord because it had tranny problems...never would suspect that I would have 2 TRANSMISSION FAILURES in a BRAND NEW CAR. And I drove it like an old lady!

Still, Im Hardcore Honda ...in another 5 years, Im buying a new Honda (or a used 350Z ;P)
I4 00-01 are covered in the extra Honda warranty.
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Old May 1st, 2004, 08:11 PM   #141
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I4 00-01 are covered in the extra Honda warranty.
It's a 7 year/ 100,000 mile warranty. His car is over that mark so his is no longer under warranty.
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I know I was just saying since he said he was lucky he had his ext. warranty.
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Chalk up another one! My tranny started to die thursday night, by Saturday it had done its last gear change. This is getting bad man. Something has to be done. Either give us reliable trannies or free repair for the life of the car or as long as we own it. This is nuts. I wasnt even driving it hard. Just plain sad.
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my tranny is gonna be swapped this week, i had really bad gear shift kiks, erratic downshifts, life threatening tranny slips, its weird how sometimes the the tranny goes from first to third in a matter of seconds, and other times i would take for ever to get out of second and kik the sh*t out of my car on its shift to 3rd i got 86,000 on my v6 00 Accord coupe. im still driven on it now. the honda guys are being really cool im getting it done free of charge they ordered it yesterday the 3rd of may, it should be in on thursday. Lets just hope this tranny lasts me another 5 years
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Of course free of charge. It's under extended warranty.
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accordin wrote (Post #144 of 145)

"my tranny is gonna be swapped this week, i had really bad gear shift kiks, erratic downshifts, life threatening tranny slips, its weird how sometimes the the tranny goes from first to third in a matter of seconds, and other times i would take for ever to get out of second and kik the sh*t out of my car on its shift to 3rd i got 86,000 on my v6 00 Accord coupe. im still driven on it now. the honda guys are being really cool im getting it done free of charge they ordered it yesterday the 3rd of may, it should be in on thursday. Lets just hope this tranny lasts me another 5 years"


I have the same problem, 87k on my 99 av6 and they are replacing it today. But i have to pay for labor ($600) - sucks
there is one year warranty on that new tranny.
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hey i have contacted that lawfirm about helping us 98-99s get in, he said we are in, and me and him are going to chat on the phone later about this, so please let me know if you have a 98-99 w/problems or you think there is going to be
i sent an email to the firm...no response yet, do you have a number?
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why the heck do u have to pay labor? isnt ur model covered under warranty?

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Well, I feel obliged to add my story to this thread after getting an estimate of $3200 for rebuilding my tranny!!!!! I have a 98 Honda Accord LX-V6 with 84K miles on it. The tranny is now shifting very roughly and the downshift is often a clear "kluck" sound underneath the seat. From reading this thread, I know 00-01 are covered under the extended warranty, is there any news for 98-99 accord? Please someone let me know $3200 is a lot of money to me.
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is there any news for 98-99 accord? Please someone let me know $3200 is a lot of money to me.
No change, which pisses me off since I have a 99 AV6 . Honda might goodwill you a tranny and you just have to pay for labor. But you would have to call up Honda and state your case to them and see if they will do it. A few members here have had this done.
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