3.5L CL upgrade

[artimage]

The 3.5L upgrade is done by Rick Case Acura. The really short version is it is a converted 3.5L MDX engine put into a CL.
More specific details:

Roughly 315 hp and 254 ft lbs of torque
0-60 in 5.7 seconds, 1/4 mile in 14.0 sec.
Note runs done at Moroso Motorsports Park in 90 degree and 90% humidity.
Parts:
From MDX: Crank, bearing, pistons, rods, tranny housing 1->2, intake plenum spacer
Comptech Headers, springs, sways
AEM 2.5" CAI
Brushed aluminum interior
Apex VTEC Controller

Head work is done by the Propulsion Laboratory in conjunction with John Brown Racing of S. Florida.
Compression ratio is 10.85:1
Takes 8 work days to produce/convert one powertrain.
Cost: $4999 for 315 HP, and $6999 for a 335 HP Gen II set-up.
One acura-cl.com got the conversion, ran great with it, and had no transmission problems at all

[frank828]

umm...ok. not sure what the point of the thread is but if u want more info you should ask Type R

he's on this board sometimes and is a moderator at acura-cl.com

[Plumaccordcoupe]

Originally posted by frank828 on April 29th, 2003 at 01:03 AM

umm...ok. not sure what the point of the thread is but if u want more info you should ask Type R

he's on this board sometimes and is a moderator at acura-cl.com


Because the engine can be put into a 6th gen Accord as well :) .

Thanks for the info artimage. We need stuff like this to start filling this site with useful info.

[jasonh1234]

Yeah but what would happen if they tried to do tranny work on an Accord. Would they even touch a Honda? or just Acuras?

(sigh) wouldn't it be nice though?...

http://members.shaw.ca/jason_holtslander/webpics/35VTEC.jpg

[eddiesoh]

WOOOOOWwww just one minute now... did i just read that rite?
you can stick a 315 HP 3.5L MDX engine into an 98 av6?
whats the block number????

[KCMC582]

hey, you could try and cram an NSX engine into our bay....but our tranny still SUCKS! 315 hp will rip our trans to shreds. im assuming these CLs were 6 speeds, or TLs were 5 speeds.

[INFAMOUSImageV6]

You can do a full NSX swap. Becasue the NSX is rear engine and rear drive, when you bring it to the front you convert it to front/front. You can dring the tranny and everyting when you do the swap. I looked into and had a quote of like 6g's to do all the stuff using the older 3.0 engine and tranny.

[INFAMOUSImageV6]

Originally posted by artimage on April 29th, 2003 at 12:55 AM

The 3.5L upgrade is done by Rick Case Acura. The really short version is it is a converted 3.5L MDX engine put into a CL.
More specific details:

Roughly 315 hp and 254 ft lbs of torque
0-60 in 5.7 seconds, 1/4 mile in 14.0 sec.
Note runs done at Moroso Motorsports Park in 90 degree and 90% humidity.
Parts:
From MDX: Crank, bearing, pistons, rods, tranny housing 1->2, intake plenum spacer
Comptech Headers, springs, sways
AEM 2.5" CAI
Brushed aluminum interior
Apex VTEC Controller

Head work is done by the Propulsion Laboratory in conjunction with John Brown Racing of S. Florida.
Compression ratio is 10.85:1
Takes 8 work days to produce/convert one powertrain.
Cost: $4999 for 315 HP, and $6999 for a 335 HP Gen II set-up.
One acura-cl.com got the conversion, ran great with it, and had no transmission problems at all


IF I remember correctly Rick Case only made 2 and I believe it was a TL they used. I know a kid who was on the list but ended up getting the TL-S. I beleive the back said 3.5 TLS-X

[bored&stroked]

Ive said it before, and I wont stop! :D Just stroke the 3.2-S into a 3.5 with new crank and pistons and get the exact same results for cheaper!

[artimage]

How much would this stroking cost?
Can we do it on out 3.0's?

[bored&stroked]

Originally posted by artimage on May 13th, 2003 at 01:14 PM

How much would this stroking cost? If you can do it yourself, the cost of the crank+pistons and related gaskets to put the motor back together.

Can we do it on our 3.0's?


Kinda. You can stroke it into a 3.2L, but it wont be the same as the factory 3.2L. The facotry 3.2 uses a 86mm stroke and 89mm bore, while the stroker 3.2 would be a 86mm bore and 93mm stroke.
It would be a custom application because of this. You'll need 3.2/3.5 connecting rods [the 3.2 and 3.5 rods have a larger big end bore compared to the 3.0], custom pistons with the piston pin location moved up [$150 a piece for forged units],and the 93mm crank. You MIGHT also need bigger injectors and some custom fuel mapping done, although Im not sure at all on that one.

[FL accord 01]

i went over to rick case and the cost is wrong.. its more like 8000 for the 315hp conversion and 11000 for the 335hp conversion and they did 3 total... two CL-S"X" and one TL-S"X" no factory warranty acrua voided it once it found out about it

[JackalD]

Originally posted by bored&stroked on May 13th, 2003 at 01:27 PM

Ive said it before, and I wont stop! :D Just stroke the 3.2-S into a 3.5 with new crank and pistons and get the exact same results for cheaper!


:werd:

[artimage]

SteVTEC or anyone familiar with CarTest, if you have the time can you speculate on what 0-60 and 1/4 mile speeds we'd get out of this 8000$ MDX Engine + Tranny Swap?

[artimage]

Only problem I see with the stroking is the tranny :( which is covered with an MDX Engine + Tranny + ECU Swap
Also, I'd probably have to shell ou ta lot of cash for the intallation since I cant do it myself


Originally posted by bored&stroked on May 13th, 2003 at 06:23 PM

If you can do it yourself, the cost of the crank+pistons and related gaskets to put the motor back together.


Kinda. You can stroke it into a 3.2L, but it wont be the same as the factory 3.2L. The facotry 3.2 uses a 86mm stroke and 89mm bore, while the stroker 3.2 would be a 86mm bore and 93mm stroke.
It would be a custom application because of this. You'll need 3.2/3.5 connecting rods [the 3.2 and 3.5 rods have a larger big end bore compared to the 3.0], custom pistons with the piston pin location moved up [$150 a piece for forged units],and the 93mm crank. You MIGHT also need bigger injectors and some custom fuel mapping done, although Im not sure at all on that one.

[bored&stroked]

Originally posted by artimage on May 14th, 2003 at 09:25 AM

Only problem I see with the stroking is the tranny :( which is covered with an MDX Engine + Tranny + ECU Swap


First off, the tranny is going to die whether you stay stock or modify the motor. We all have to accept that sad fact :(
Second, how much do you think a MDX engine+tranny+ECU swap is going to cost you? A ton, thats how much! For someone to swap all that stuff in and tune it to work in a 6th gen Id be guessing minimum $15,000.

[artimage]

b&s,
I think you missed FL Accord's price list .. He went down to Rick Case Acura..
It's $8k for the 315 MDX Engine + Tranny + ECU Swap by Rick Case Acura
and it's $11k for the next Gen 335 HP Acura MDX Engine + Tranny + Ecu swap..

[artimage]

Personally, I think this would be a viable alternative to a S/C if there are no kinks with the conversion, considering with a S/C you're approximately around 5k$ w/ stock internals for engine and tranny..
For $3k more you get an MDX engine with lots of torque, and a tranny that's designed to tow big loads, so it'll hold up..
:)

[-=SoCalV6=-]

Originally posted by artimage on May 14th, 2003 at 08:01 PM

Personally, I think this would be a viable alternative to a S/C if there are no kinks with the conversion, considering with a S/C you're approximately around 5k$ w/ stock internals for engine and tranny..
For $3k more you get an MDX engine with lots of torque, and a tranny that's designed to tow big loads, so it'll hold up..
:)


Umm, if you REALLY have that much money to do this type of conversion, you might as well top it off with the SC and a mild, MILD shot of Nitrous Oxide. And then you can have fun spinning the front tires all day long and not getting anywhere because you're still driving a FWD Monster....


<Sigh>....pipes dreams, aren't they great?

[FL accord 01]

its about 13000 just for a CL-s Swap with ecu, 6-speed tranny wire harness and labor those other cars did get a complete swap... just some interchangeable parts were interchanged, crank, rods n whatnot.

[bored&stroked]

Originally posted by artimage on May 14th, 2003 at 08:54 PM

b&s,
I think you missed FL Accord's price list .. He went down to Rick Case Acura..
It's $8k for the 315 MDX Engine + Tranny + ECU Swap by Rick Case Acura
and it's $11k for the next Gen 335 HP Acura MDX Engine + Tranny + Ecu swap..


Can you quote that part for me, cause I cant find anywhere in this post where it includes the tranny?? From his lists it just shows the engine work. I know Type-R, the first guy to get this done, did not get a tranny also. $11,000 might be for the engine+tranny, but thats a 5sp automatic tranny in the MDX and they are talking about swapping this stuff into type-S cars, which come stock with that type of tranny so there wouldnt be any custom fabrication required. Am I wrong here?:confused:

[artimage]

b&s,
Here you go..
But I guess you didnt read the other thread FL Accord had started regarding his visit to Rick Case Acura..

http://www.v6performance.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=12433#post12433

It's post #36 if you dont want to read the babble ;)

And below he has corrected the estimates to 8000 for the 315 hp and 11k for the 335..
I'm assuming that since he got these prices in person they *KNOW* it's for his AV6, and not for an Acura CL/TL


Originally posted by FL accord 01 on May 14th, 2003 at 01:48 AM

i went over to rick case and the cost is wrong.. its more like 8000 for the 315hp conversion and 11000 for the 335hp conversion and they did 3 total... two CL-S"X" and one TL-S"X" no factory warranty acrua voided it once it found out about it

[Plumaccordcoupe]

Who cares if it was voiding the warranty. It's common sense in the first place that something like that will void the warranty. I think Rick Case Acura needs to bring the idea back :smash: .

BTW: I live only 15 minutes away from the dealer :D .

I wonder why it cost 3 grand more for just 20 extra HP?

[type R]

i know this is old but there's alot of miss info here ...2500$ is the cost plus install and the 1/4 times are 13.794 at 101.54 ...if you just swapped the MDX bottom end you'd end up with an 11.+ compression could be high 11 so....you'll want different rods or pistons or both as in my case...im not gonna go into the deatils because ive had to way too many times...visit ACL and search 3.5 upgrade that should yeild all the info nessecary...BTW my dealer installed mine warranty in tact on all except the engine itself...this could easily be done to the original block and there would be absoultly no real way to tell unless they went inside the engine or did a cylinder volume test neither of which they would ever do

[chrisnick]

anyone need a kidney?!?!:D

[Doom]

I think Rick Case canceled doing this since the guy in charge of it left.

[Doc]

If you can do it yourself, the cost of the crank+pistons and related gaskets to put the motor back together.


Kinda. You can stroke it into a 3.2L, but it wont be the same as the factory 3.2L. The facotry 3.2 uses a 86mm stroke and 89mm bore, while the stroker 3.2 would be a 86mm bore and 93mm stroke.
It would be a custom application because of this. You'll need 3.2/3.5 connecting rods [the 3.2 and 3.5 rods have a larger big end bore compared to the 3.0], custom pistons with the piston pin location moved up [$150 a piece for forged units],and the 93mm crank. You MIGHT also need bigger injectors and some custom fuel mapping done, although I'm not sure at all on that one.

How come nobody has picked up a wrecked 05 Odyssey or Pilot and used that engine (or major parts)? I was just looking at Honda's parts e-store and retail price for a 05 Odyssey short block is over two grand with the heads costing about that much, each. With a hookup at the Honda parts counter, that minivan short block would cost you abot 1500. How much of the J30A4 would be compatible with an Odyssey short block?

[Accord_V6_400m]

:werd: :lastyr: X 3

[starrsearch_]

Anything above 400whp in the FWD Honda with autotragic or any tranny not gonna have it last for long :rolleye2: unless you got a drag build motor lolz...IMO I find make my AV6 fast silly especially if you look into spending 8k+ might as well get a new MDX and drive that...My Honda is here to look clean not to go fast, I might as well buy an other car for that...than void my warranty.

Get a 240sx(SR20), FC/FD, Supra powerplant in toyota than spent a few dollars and make that fast, and put a downpayment on a MDX so you can have both :cool:...

[blackhawk411]

wow this is from 2003