motor swap

[FL accord 01]

hey i read somewhere on this forum that they did a 3.5-CL upgrade. anyone know if that is possible with our AV6? i think it even listed the cost and it was at a fairly decent price. if anyone knows anything please post something here

[aCcOrDv6VTEC3R]

If the guy your talking about is the guy that I am thinking of... I think he was bull****ting... or not. you might be talking about a different guy I didn't see. CL is 3.2 litter btw
:) :angel: :burnout:

[FL accord 01]

they swaped it with the MDX 3.5 my bad forgot to type that in. i called up RICK CASE acura tryin to get some info. one guy did say they did it but he put me on hold to transfer me n then i ended up gettin the machine. no reply yet will call back n hound them till i get some answers haha

[aCcOrDv6VTEC3R]

my bad... :o

[SteVTEC]

There are a few CL guys that have done a 3.5L upgrades on their 3.2's using Acura MDX (J35) parts.

Engine: Bore x Stroke

J32: 3.50in x 3.39in
J35: 3.50in x 3.66in

So basically you increase the stroke from 3.39in to 3.66in (or whatever it is) and effectively have yourself another 0.3L of displacement and a TON more torque. A similar upgrade would probably be possible on the J30A1, but there are other things in the way first in that the J30A1 just doesn't breathe very well...


The oem cams suck and have no low-end lift (reason why low-end sucks). You'd want to do some sort of a cam swap first.

Secondly, I suspect that the intake manifold doesn't breathe all that well either since power falls off after only 5500rpm even though it's a VTEC engine. A J30A4 or J32A1 (TL-P) intake manifold swap would probably not be a bad idea.


So AFTER you get the J30 breathing well, then you can up the displacement and make a screamer out of it. Well, you could do it without all of that, but your results probably will not be very good at all for the $$$$ unless you fix the other performance problems in the J30A1 motor first.

[artimage]

Btw, I posted the info on the 3.5 Upgrade, and I was not bull****ting :p I found it on the Acura CL forum and thought it was interesting and wanted to see if it could be done on our car, and SteVTEC answered that.
But, what I'm wondering, if that engine upgrade costs 5k
and a CL-S Cam swap like another 750$, does'nt that make it a more viable ALL MOTOR alternative than a Comptech S/C for ~ 5k
That is of course, *IF* our trannies can even handle 315HP (I doubt it)

MDX Engine Swap + CL-S Cams + Comptech Supercharger = ULTIMATE SLEEPER?

[HwaNi.J30A-C]

and your stock av6 tranny goes

KA BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!

:freak2: :freak:

[HwaNi.J30A-C]

You dont need motor swap.

Just get 6-spd manual from CL-S, and you are good to go.
Add in supercharger, bolt-ons, raise the boost, and you got one fast accord.

Our accord response pretty well to mods..
just 4.5psi gets us into 14s, so imagine higher boost.. :eek:

[artimage]

I'd still take the 3.5 Engine w/ oodles of torque + CL-S Cams
over
3.0 + High boost + bolt ons
in either config :)
Granted the S/C wil lproduce a lot of torque too..but I still find the N/A motor more appealing..

[INFAMOUSImageV6]

Rick Case Acura in Ft.Lauderdale did the work. They custom did 2 TL-S with the 3.5 motor. I know a kid who was on the list for one but didn't get it. As far as I know there are only 2 of them. Is is full motor/tranny/ecu sawp. Acura did and the car has a FULL warrenty.

I belive the back of them say 3.5 TypeS-X

[artimage]

What??
are you sure???? A motor + tranny swap for 5k?
Hmm Maybe the tranny swap is extra..but DAMN..
if it's a motor + tranny + ecu swap for 5k WITH warranty, wow.. That'll put life into this Accord

[INFAMOUSImageV6]

It wasn't add 5k and get the stuff. Rick Case made the car as like a production car, but they only made 2 of them. It was like a special edition TL-S/X. I don't remember the price of the car, but I know it wasn't cheap. I think around $35ish

[artimage]

Oh,
I posted a thread which detailed a $5k engine swap from CL/TL to MDX done by Rick Case Acura. A few people from The Acura CL Forums have done it. I was just imagining what an MDX engine would feel like in my EXV6 :)

[Chronos]

so basically $5,000 for a CL engine and manual tranny?

What about juss gettin manual tranny conversion? how much $?

[artimage]

NO
$5k for an ENGINE SWAP For CL/TL to MDX

[FL accord 01]

i called rick case today left a message but still no reply im gonna be in ft laud next week think i might just pay them a little visit and get some info on it for the AV6

[Chronos]

Originally posted by artimage on April 29th, 2003 at 07:13 PM

NO
$5k for an ENGINE SWAP For CL/TL to MDX


Oh thats whack, how much would it be for us to do something like that? get better engine and get manual tranny or juss manual tranny?

[TH23]

They also swap in the MDX tranny in that $5k. The MDX tranny is built a lot tougher than our trannies and the CL/TL trannies since the MDX is made to tow and has more standard torque.

[FL accord 01]

for the swap with the tranny for 5k i think is a steal of a deal

[bored&stroked]

Why pay $5000+ for a shortblock to be swapped into a 3.2 type-S when they could just add the pistons and crank to get the 3.5L? Along with not having to remove the entire motor, you keep the original block [speacial cylender liners in the type-s block according to acura, plus if they read your engine tag in emissions with a swapped motor your screwed] and just swapping in the crank+pistons would be MUCH cheaper [try $1000 installed] Upgrading motors is supposed to be fun and inventive, not plug and play! Wait, I take that back. Adding the 93mm crank+pistons would be a plug and play option for the 3.2 guys.

[VTEC_V6]

Ok, how much for the CL-S 6-speed tranny, Intake & Cams, with the MDX 3.5L engine and AWD system?

:D

[HwaNi.J30A-C]

Originally posted by VTEC_V6 on April 29th, 2003 at 08:37 PM

Ok, how much for the CL-S 6-speed tranny, Intake & Cams, with the MDX 3.5L engine and AWD system?

:D


oh **** you ready to do this? :D

[FL accord 01]

AWD? that would be HOT!!!:D

[FL accord 01]

just spoke to the guy at the dealer ship they did those CL-S's he mentioned some options for our beloved AV6's :D told me to come in on monday (ill be there at 9am with a cup of coffee for the guy) and he said we gonna go over all the options along with prices for them so ill have some good info and try to get the numbers for those cl-s cams if someone can reply with what info was needed for them

[AccordTypeR]

If you wanna change whole engine you need to modify your mounts too,...

I heard J32a4 and J30a1 have different mounts

[kayotik]

if only our trannies werent made of jello

[HwaNi.J30A-C]

Originally posted by kayotik on May 4th, 2003 at 12:42 AM

if only our trannies werent made of jello


not even jello man. :(

[aCcOrDv6VTEC3R]

Originally posted by HwaNi.J30A-C on May 4th, 2003 at 01:16 AM

not even jello man. :(

pudding

[artimage]

FL Accord : Good luck, share the newz with us :up:

AccordTypeR & kayotik : The $5k upgrades the CL to the MDX tranny too :D so we wouldnt have the Jello tranny

[VTEC_V6]

Ask him about the MDX AWD conversion as well!

[slEepinAkkord]

Ask him about the MDX AWD conversion as well!

you really want that AWD conversion don't u :p

awd in an accord...whoa now that's tyte...and all those cl/mdx conversions...

our honda's would be like half acura....lol

[kayotik]

Originally posted by slEepinAkkord on May 4th, 2003 at 09:56 AM

you really want that AWD conversion don't u :p

awd in an accord...whoa now that's tyte...and all those cl/mdx conversions...

our honda's would be like half acura....lol
ALL Acura's ARE Honda. :rolleyes:

haha i was gonna say pudding

[FL accord 01]

aight just so i dont forget anything and since im lazy ;) if i could get yall to just like post any questions so i can print it out n take it n get prices as well as answers to them thanks.

[artimage]

1) 6 Speed Conversion :)
2) MDX Engine + Tranny Coversion
3) Acura CLS Engine + Tranny conversion

[artimage]

Oh..
Not to forget.. CLS Cam conversion

[FL accord 01]

aight finally got some info...
1) it wasnt as cheap as first listed, the 340 hp conversion was $11,000
2) CLS engine + tranny = $12,000 or so includin labor at the dealership
3) tranny alone is $4,000 no labor included
4) its much cheaper to just rebuild the motor and tranny custom heads n rods n all that wonderful stuff somewhere around $9,000 will get an exact price tomorrow when i meet up with him again
5) if u do the custom stuff "you can push close to 400whp" as the guy who did the cars told me on the phone with turbo of course
6) AWD as asked by one of the members "anything is possible with money" ill get a pricing though for you tomorrow
7) side note i belive acura will be comin out with the S2200 as the guy at acura told me .... if im right u heard it first i hope :D if im wrong worth a shot

[FL accord 01]

oh yea and non of those conversions were warrentied acrua found out about the conversion and voided all warrenties:eek:

[artimage]

:(
Damn..that's expensive
FL Accord..thanks for the info..
Damn.. why is it so much cheaper for the Acura guys?


:bawling:

[artimage]

Ouch..and no warranties?!?!
*sigh*
That does not make economical sense anymore :|

[FL accord 01]

oh yea they only did 2 CLS"X" and one TLS"X" but no more since they cant be warrentied anymore

[justkillin_time]

Ok sooo..

An acura CL-S Engine + Tranny swap is possible. Do the mounting points match up? (I have a 98, and the engine that I'm looking at is a 2001)

What about electronics?

I can get a 3.2 CL motor + Harness for $1650 with 35k on it. The tranny I can get is a 3.2 s model for $1665.

What I'm thinking is that this would be the most cost effective route. Buy these, have the engine gone through, slap on CAI, maybe new pulleys, cams, ignition, and slap that badboy in and be in under $10k.

I just can't find enough parts for the J30 to make it worth my time and energy. I'd have to put a new tranny in with a SC in order to get it to 300hp, that alone is almost 10k, w/o pulleys, engine work, and cams, blah blah.

Well I'll shutup now. I'm on crack ;)

[str8acura]

FL accord, if your really interested in the 3.5 swap, check out www.velocityresources.com they are in apopka, FL. speak to dean. they have done the 3.5 swap before on a TL.

[bored&stroked]

Originally posted by justkillin_time

What I'm thinking is that this would be the most cost effective route. Buy these, have the engine gone through, slap on CAI, maybe new pulleys, cams, ignition, and slap that badboy in and be in under $10k.

I just can't find enough parts for the J30 to make it worth my time and energy. I'd have to put a new tranny in with a SC in order to get it to 300hp, that alone is almost 10k, w/o pulleys, engine work, and cams,



Ok, first off there are no cams to upgrade with the type-S motor. The type-S cams are the ones everyone uses to upgrade our J30A1's, although the J30A4/J35A4 cams might be a slight upgrade if you want to bother with them. Ignition would be a complete waste of money. The stock ignition has plenty of power to fire the spark, so adding more power wont do anything.

And then theres finding parts for the J30. Theres as many parts for the J30 as there is for the J32, because they can use the same parts. How about a J35's crank+ J32/J35 connection rods for a stroker 3.2L v6? Or just swap the J32/J35 shortblock into your accord and be done with it. Heads from a type-S motor onto your stroker shortblock or your stock shortblock. If I can make a 3.5 using all stock parts hit 300hp then you cant tell me theres no parts. Hell, one guy on here is at over 300wheel horsepower with just the comptech superchager, high boost pulley, some headers, and a engine managment system. Stick a 300hp 3.5L instead of the stock 200hp 3.0 and you'll have over 370hp to the wheels easy. The way is out there, you just need to search more ;)

[3.0accordcoupe]

ITS ALL ABOUT THE GREEN THE LITTLE PARTS ARE WHAT COST THE MOST AND TTHOSE ARE THE PARTS THAT GET YOU IN THE END. I'VE GOT MINE RUNNING AND THE HEAD THAT I HAD A PROBLEM WITH IS FINE BUT NOW THE A/C AND THE ABS ARE THE PROBLEMS I'LL POST PICS FOR MY CAR SINCE EVERYONE THINGS THAT THE SWAP IS A JOKE AND I AM BSing BUT BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT I GOT ONE JUST WORKING THE BUGS OUT OF IT. OH AND THE HOOD BARELY WORKS WITH THE TYPE S MOTOR IT RUBS THE ENGINE I DON'T THINK THE STOCK HOOD WOULD WORK AND IF YOU GOT A 3.5 STOCK THE HOOD WILL DEFINATELY NOT WORK DUE TO THE 2 INCH STCK SPACER UNDER THE PENDULM.