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SlvrBllt · February 15th, 2006, 09:29 AM

My car has slowly developed a reluctance to go into 3rd gear, especially at low speeds. Many times when I'm poking along in traffic and try to slip it into 3rd, it feels like the linkage binds up. If I keep applying pressure it eventually slips in, but its definitely not as smooth as the other gears. The car is a commuter and is never raced or abused. And for the record I've been driving manual transmission cars for 15 years.

Has anyone else had this problem? What was the fix? It only happens occasionally so I know if I take it in, I'm going to get the "couldn't replicate the problem" response from the dealership.

OwAce · February 15th, 2006, 09:31 AM

its a common problem on the 6spd tranny. Honda will address it as it sees fit. take it to your dealer.

6MTV6-ACCORD · February 15th, 2006, 10:55 AM

It happens to me too.

I thought it might be the dog cut on the syncro, but it only happens sometimes

More when it's cold out.

I'm now thinking that when it's cold the shift fork might shift plane off sligtly because of the contraction in the metal.

I'm taking it in this weekend.

sa863c · February 15th, 2006, 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6MTV6-ACCORD

It happens to me too.

I thought it might be the dog cut on the syncro, but it only happens sometimes

More when it's cold out.

I'm now thinking that when it's cold the shift fork might shift plane off sligtly because of the contraction in the metal.

I'm taking it in this weekend.

I have the exact same issue, bringing it back next monday for the third time w/ this problem, last time they topped off the trans oil and told me to see if it got any better...arg.

SlayerGTR · February 15th, 2006, 01:13 PM

same here

does anyone know how long it'll take the dealer to fix it? Cuz I'll only have like 2 days tops to get it fixed

OwAce · February 15th, 2006, 01:16 PM

people on the TL and S2k forums have replaced their OEM tranny fluid with GM redline syncromesh fluid. ppl swear by it. my friend said it made no difference on his TL. i thought it did on my car.

Blizzard · February 15th, 2006, 02:22 PM

wow, crazy. My 3rd gear slides in beautifully.

definately check your transmission fluid... though it could be a synchro that's dead.

asuche03 · February 15th, 2006, 02:23 PM

My car too! It happens randomly. To get it in gear I end up double clutching.

I also have issues with first gear once in a while. From a dead stop, it won't go all the way into gear. This has only happened a handful of times.....but still. What happened to Honda?

6MTV6-ACCORD · February 15th, 2006, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asuche03

My car too! It happens randomly. To get it in gear I end up double clutching.

I also have issues with first gear once in a while. From a dead stop, it won't go all the way into gear. This has only happened a handful of times.....but still. What happened to Honda?

You in AZ? Me thinks so based on ur SN.

stevencrosbie · February 15th, 2006, 03:30 PM

I know mine will not go into 2nd when its below 20 outside.....takes double or triple clutch......

I am hoping it goes away....I bought a manual so I won't have problems

Andrew · February 15th, 2006, 04:48 PM

yea my third is fine, but i do notice sometimes that is is hard to go from 1st-2nd! It feels really notchy and hard to put in at times

Wilfrid · February 15th, 2006, 07:31 PM

I have the same problem going into 3rd, though I've only had the car for 3 weeks in cold weather and hope it will loosen up. Please keep updating this thread with dealer fixes.

I had more of a problem going from 1st to 2nd on my 2004 TSX (same transmission), which was a commonly cited problem on Acura websites and sounds like it's happening to some of us. I never pursued that problem with the dealer. 1st to 2nd is no problem on my Accord 6 spd.

Jessica · February 15th, 2006, 09:18 PM

I have encountered this problem too when its cold. I thought it may have been "user error"

since I was the only one who noticed it when driving and the car is brand new. Now that I have read about everyone else's experience I'm going to bring it to the dealership!

AtLxkEvinx · February 15th, 2006, 10:43 PM

hmmm. dont have the 3rd gear problem, but 2nd gear sometimes is hard to get into, i guess its kind of like andrews.

jaijai · February 16th, 2006, 01:05 AM

When its really cold its hard to get into 1st and second, but after driving for a bit it goes in smoothly. try syncromesh it works great.

flyvtec · February 16th, 2006, 02:56 AM

hmmmm...i have 43K miles on my 04 and the gears still shift smoothly as ever! i don't know if living in sunny San Diego is the reason, but i don't have the problem mentioned in this thread.

i race my car every once in a while...i get stuck in stop and go traffic every day to and from work...no problems!

i get my car regularly serviced at Fuller Honda (oil changes/maintenance service) so i don't know if that's a factor.

dreamer · February 16th, 2006, 03:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlvrBllt

My car has slowly developed a reluctance to go into 3rd gear, especially at low speeds. Many times when I'm poking along in traffic and try to slip it into 3rd, it feels like the linkage binds up. If I keep applying pressure it eventually slips in, but its definitely not as smooth as the other gears. The car is a commuter and is never raced or abused. And for the record I've been driving manual transmission cars for 15 years.

Has anyone else had this problem? What was the fix? It only happens occasionally so I know if I take it in, I'm going to get the "couldn't replicate the problem" response from the dealership.

have the same problem along with a bunch of others. I'm not sure wtf is up with shifting into 3rd. Seems like I have to wiggle it into 3rd.

asuche03 · February 16th, 2006, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6MTV6-ACCORD

You in AZ? Me thinks so based on ur SN.

YEP. Arizona State University Chemical Engineer Class of 2003

Since temperature seems to be a big part of everyone's hypothesis I'll add my $.02.

My third gear problems happen pretty randomly. During the 115*F summer days and during the 40*F winter nights.

My first gear issues were during the summer and I don't recall it happening recently.

I can say that my clutch is temperature sensitive. I have to learn a completely new driving style depending on the weather on any given day. It seems that the clutch engagement point changes?!?!

mbr311 · February 16th, 2006, 03:10 PM

I had the same problem with my '92 Accord EX, my 2002 Acura RSX-S and my '05 6-speed Coupe. Just a Honda thing I guess...doesn't bother me that much to be honest with you.

Fact is, the clutch and tranny on all 3 cars has never, ever had a problem. The '92 went almost 200,000 miles without any issues. I expect my '05 to run the same. Just a Honda quirk I guess.

**SteVTEC** · February 16th, 2006, 07:48 PM

Everybody here complaining about issues getting into 3rd has a 2005 or newer. Not a single 03 or 04 complaint, unless I might have missed one. I wonder if Honda did something to the trannys for 05 that fixed one thing but broke something else.

dymondawg · February 16th, 2006, 08:54 PM

I have not had any issues worth complaining about with my 6MT. I bought it new in June 05 - hot summer days, no issues... It now has about 17k on it, and I still don't have any issues with 1st or 3rd (knock on wood). Now we're in the middle of a relatively mild winter here in Chicago, but the cold doesn't seem to bother the clutch engagement/synchros at all. Just my .02.

vt4c4lif4 · February 19th, 2006, 08:06 PM

all the problems with 1st and 3rd gear...can they be fixed by installing a short shifter???

or is the problem beyond that...

**SteVTEC** · February 19th, 2006, 09:39 PM

generally putting a STS on something with a clunky linkage or generally poor shifter will only make things worse since the STS also increases required effort.

OwAce · February 19th, 2006, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteVTEC

Everybody here complaining about issues getting into 3rd has a 2005 or newer. Not a single 03 or 04 complaint, unless I might have missed one. I wonder if Honda did something to the trannys for 05 that fixed one thing but broke something else.

not tru. i have 3rd gear issues. i have an 04. jon2002 has an 03/04 and his tranny refused to shift the 2nd day. he got a new one.

SlayerGTR · February 19th, 2006, 10:43 PM

my lil 3rd gear grinding issue started like late summer and my car technically is a mid 05, wasn't a 1st batch that came out. I got her in july. 1-2 months later, i grinded it for the 1st time, cuz it wouldn't pop in all the way and I thought it was in all the way. I wonder if the CL-S had these problems

OwAce · February 19th, 2006, 11:35 PM

i can be honest, i only have 3rd gear issues when im shifting very very lazilly. and i may myself have not put the car completely into gear.

AccordHawk · February 20th, 2006, 04:34 AM

I have the same problem... third gear does not go in smoothly... and i end up double clutching sometimes... it bothers me but i figure i stil have warranty.. is that a bad idea? oh i have an 05 av6

Quickshift160 · February 21st, 2006, 08:14 AM

ya i have the problem with 2nd but i abuse mine and race it so thats y when i first bot it the only problem was goin into 1st when slowing down but thats not a big deal....no 2nd is very sticky and 3rd has no problem

OwAce · February 21st, 2006, 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quickshift160

y when i first bot it the only problem was goin into 1st when slowing down but thats not a big deal....

ding ding ding!!! you need to NOT do that. shifting into first at speeds above 5-10mph is hazardous for your transmissions health.

Sick6speed · February 21st, 2006, 09:07 AM

I beat the hell out of my car and never have had a problem. I had the shift forks changed inside one time under warranty but other than that it has been like butter.

February 15th, 2006, 09:29 AM	#1
SlvrBllt Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 39 Trader Rating: (0)	hard to shift into 3rd on 6 speed. Anyone else? My car has slowly developed a reluctance to go into 3rd gear, especially at low speeds. Many times when I'm poking along in traffic and try to slip it into 3rd, it feels like the linkage binds up. If I keep applying pressure it eventually slips in, but its definitely not as smooth as the other gears. The car is a commuter and is never raced or abused. And for the record I've been driving manual transmission cars for 15 years. Has anyone else had this problem? What was the fix? It only happens occasionally so I know if I take it in, I'm going to get the "couldn't replicate the problem" response from the dealership.

February 15th, 2006, 01:13 PM	#5
SlayerGTR 6MT Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: DALLAS, Texas Posts: 1,190 Trader Rating: (0)	same here does anyone know how long it'll take the dealer to fix it? Cuz I'll only have like 2 days tops to get it fixed __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.* \| *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.* To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Blizzard darkside / gen7accord.com Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: SF Bay Area / UCSB Posts: 1,057 2003 Honda Accord CM81 Trader Rating: (1)	wow, crazy. My 3rd gear slides in beautifully. definately check your transmission fluid... though it could be a synchro that's dead. __________________ Art To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. 06 TL 6spd To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. D a r k s i d e

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February 19th, 2006, 10:43 PM	#25
SlayerGTR 6MT Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: DALLAS, Texas Posts: 1,190 Trader Rating: (0)	my lil 3rd gear grinding issue started like late summer and my car technically is a mid 05, wasn't a 1st batch that came out. I got her in july. 1-2 months later, i grinded it for the 1st time, cuz it wouldn't pop in all the way and I thought it was in all the way. I wonder if the CL-S had these problems __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.* \| *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.* To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

February 15th, 2006, 09:31 AM	#2
OwAce indoctidiscant Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New York, NY Posts: 3,797 Trader Rating: (6)	its a common problem on the 6spd tranny. Honda will address it as it sees fit. take it to your dealer.

February 15th, 2006, 10:55 AM	#3
6MTV6-ACCORD Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 124 Trader Rating: (0)	It happens to me too. I thought it might be the dog cut on the syncro, but it only happens sometimes More when it's cold out. I'm now thinking that when it's cold the shift fork might shift plane off sligtly because of the contraction in the metal. I'm taking it in this weekend.

February 15th, 2006, 01:16 PM	#6
OwAce indoctidiscant Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New York, NY Posts: 3,797 Trader Rating: (6)	people on the TL and S2k forums have replaced their OEM tranny fluid with GM redline syncromesh fluid. ppl swear by it. my friend said it made no difference on his TL. i thought it did on my car.

February 15th, 2006, 02:23 PM	#8
asuche03 Banned Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Phoenix, AZ (Ahwatukee) Posts: 87 Trader Rating: (0)	My car too! It happens randomly. To get it in gear I end up double clutching. I also have issues with first gear once in a while. From a dead stop, it won't go all the way into gear. This has only happened a handful of times.....but still. What happened to Honda?

February 15th, 2006, 03:30 PM	#10
stevencrosbie Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 7 Trader Rating: (0)	I know mine will not go into 2nd when its below 20 outside.....takes double or triple clutch...... I am hoping it goes away....I bought a manual so I won't have problems

February 15th, 2006, 04:48 PM	#11
Andrew Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 813 Trader Rating: (2)	yea my third is fine, but i do notice sometimes that is is hard to go from 1st-2nd! It feels really notchy and hard to put in at times

February 15th, 2006, 07:31 PM	#12
Wilfrid Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 3 Trader Rating: (0)	I have the same problem going into 3rd, though I've only had the car for 3 weeks in cold weather and hope it will loosen up. Please keep updating this thread with dealer fixes. I had more of a problem going from 1st to 2nd on my 2004 TSX (same transmission), which was a commonly cited problem on Acura websites and sounds like it's happening to some of us. I never pursued that problem with the dealer. 1st to 2nd is no problem on my Accord 6 spd.

February 15th, 2006, 09:18 PM	#13
Jessica Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Houston Posts: 6 Trader Rating: (0)	I have encountered this problem too when its cold. I thought it may have been "user error" since I was the only one who noticed it when driving and the car is brand new. Now that I have read about everyone else's experience I'm going to bring it to the dealership!

February 15th, 2006, 10:43 PM	#14
AtLxkEvinx Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Atlanta Posts: 179 Trader Rating: (0)	hmmm. dont have the 3rd gear problem, but 2nd gear sometimes is hard to get into, i guess its kind of like andrews.

February 16th, 2006, 01:05 AM	#15
jaijai Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 34 Trader Rating: (0)	When its really cold its hard to get into 1st and second, but after driving for a bit it goes in smoothly. try syncromesh it works great.

February 16th, 2006, 02:56 AM	#16
flyvtec I feel da need 4 6-speeds Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Chula Vista CALIFORNIA Posts: 2,315 Trader Rating: (1)	hmmmm...i have 43K miles on my 04 and the gears still shift smoothly as ever! i don't know if living in sunny San Diego is the reason, but i don't have the problem mentioned in this thread. i race my car every once in a while...i get stuck in stop and go traffic every day to and from work...no problems! i get my car regularly serviced at Fuller Honda (oil changes/maintenance service) so i don't know if that's a factor.

February 16th, 2006, 03:10 PM	#19
mbr311 Wheelgap = sleeper mod Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Indy Posts: 3,018 2005 NBP Accord Coupe EX V6 6MT Trader Rating: (6)	I had the same problem with my '92 Accord EX, my 2002 Acura RSX-S and my '05 6-speed Coupe. Just a Honda thing I guess...doesn't bother me that much to be honest with you. Fact is, the clutch and tranny on all 3 cars has never, ever had a problem. The '92 went almost 200,000 miles without any issues. I expect my '05 to run the same. Just a Honda quirk I guess.

February 16th, 2006, 08:54 PM	#21
dymondawg Smooth as Silk Join Date: May 2002 Location: Arlington Heights, IL Posts: 345 Trader Rating: (0)	I have not had any issues worth complaining about with my 6MT. I bought it new in June 05 - hot summer days, no issues... It now has about 17k on it, and I still don't have any issues with 1st or 3rd (knock on wood). Now we're in the middle of a relatively mild winter here in Chicago, but the cold doesn't seem to bother the clutch engagement/synchros at all. Just my .02.

February 19th, 2006, 08:06 PM	#22
vt4c4lif4 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 10 Trader Rating: (0)	all the problems with 1st and 3rd gear...can they be fixed by installing a short shifter??? or is the problem beyond that...

February 19th, 2006, 09:39 PM	#23
SteVTEC "V6P Sanitation Engineer" Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Commietown, MD Posts: 13,659 Trader Rating: (3)	generally putting a STS on something with a clunky linkage or generally poor shifter will only make things worse since the STS also increases required effort.

February 19th, 2006, 11:35 PM	#26
OwAce indoctidiscant Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New York, NY Posts: 3,797 Trader Rating: (6)	i can be honest, i only have 3rd gear issues when im shifting very very lazilly. and i may myself have not put the car completely into gear.

February 20th, 2006, 04:34 AM	#27
AccordHawk AV6 6spd w/ Navi Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 42 Trader Rating: (0)	I have the same problem... third gear does not go in smoothly... and i end up double clutching sometimes... it bothers me but i figure i stil have warranty.. is that a bad idea? oh i have an 05 av6

February 21st, 2006, 08:14 AM	#28
Quickshift160 Banned Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Tampa Posts: 65 Trader Rating: (0)	ya i have the problem with 2nd but i abuse mine and race it so thats y when i first bot it the only problem was goin into 1st when slowing down but thats not a big deal....no 2nd is very sticky and 3rd has no problem

February 21st, 2006, 09:07 AM	#30
Sick6speed Die-Hard Enthusiast!! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Fernando Valey (Encino) Posts: 735 Trader Rating: (0)	I beat the hell out of my car and never have had a problem. I had the shift forks changed inside one time under warranty but other than that it has been like butter.

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