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Old February 3rd, 2004, 04:55 PM   #1
 
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What's the torque of our cars?

Hey guys, did a search already but can't find anything. I've always thought our cars were 168lbft tqe, but someone mentioned in a previous post it was 178lbft? Thanks in advance for the clarification.
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its 178 my friend
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thanks =). Wow, its higher than I thought, which is great! But alas, it is still slow. I ran a 16.2 best with my exhaust. Recently got a AEM SR intake, wonder if I can break into the 15's. My friend has run a 15.9 with an i/e and some plug wires.

*edit: weird but it says 165lbft here, is this wrong?

http://edmunds.com/used/1996/honda/a...enav..6.Honda*

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edmunds.com was the only oddball i looked several places and they all say 178 but it dont matter its just matters what you can put down to the wheels
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Old February 4th, 2004, 06:56 AM   #5
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i just looked at the speedoptions article they had on omega's car. ehh
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Originally posted by enginerd04 on February 3rd, 2004 at 11:07 PM

thanks =). Wow, its higher than I thought, which is great! But alas, it is still slow. I ran a 16.2 best with my exhaust. Recently got a AEM SR intake, wonder if I can break into the 15's. My friend has run a 15.9 with an i/e and some plug wires.

Those are good times for 5th gen AV6', that's right about what a 6th gen with the same mods will run

The factory ratings were 170HP and 165TQ but I can believe 178 since manufacturers often underrate their cars. Does anyone know where I can find a dyno of a 5th gen AV6? Thanks!
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Old February 7th, 2004, 07:37 AM   #7
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i think bender or some other guy got his car dynoed a long time ago at pep boys, but its not a stock dyno if thats what youre looking for
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It's 165tq, not 178. MSN Carpoint said 178 which is wrong. They also said the EX 4-banger has 145hp and 190tq which is incredibly wrong.

If the C27A4 was under-rated and really had 178tq then it would be as quick as a 6th gen and also would have been quicker than a 5g EX 5spd. But it's not.
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Old February 7th, 2004, 04:20 PM   #9
 
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good point,
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i think bender or some other guy got his car dynoed a long time ago at pep boys, but its not a stock dyno if thats what youre looking for
yea, bender is a friend of mine. He dynoed at 178hp, and said he lost a little torque. His mods were SR intake, full catback exhaust, and iridium plugs and wires. But as mastadulog said, that's not a stock dyno.
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hey SteVTEC, are you saying out v6 is actually slower than the 5th generation accord ex manual?
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Old February 8th, 2004, 12:49 PM   #12
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Old February 8th, 2004, 07:35 PM   #13
 
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wait i'm confised. I was under the impression that our car was a faster stock car because of the more horsepower and torque. Why would someone spend more money on a slower car like we did? Not hating on our rides by the way.
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Old February 8th, 2004, 08:45 PM   #14
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well, our trannies suck up alot of power which is expected and after reading that article on omega's car i found out the tranny is heavy as **** too. most ppl who buy accords are usually in their 40's and up. i dont think it really matters to them that our cars are 2 cars lengths behind the 5spd at 130 heh
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imagine a b16 block with no trans thats how heavy our auto trans is. thats why if you want u can swap it out to manual and it will make u quite a bit faster than the 5speed 4cyl
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well, our trannies suck up alot of power which is expected and after reading that article on omega's car i found out the tranny is heavy as **** too. most ppl who buy accords are usually in their 40's and up. i dont think it really matters to them that our cars are 2 cars lengths behind the 5spd at 130 heh
can i have the link to the omega's article?
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http://www.speedoptions.com/articles/3313/

i cant find the other ones though sorry
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An auto tranny is usually 60 pounds heavier than a manual, and they also put 5-10% less power to the ground than a manual. So with that taken into account, the resulting power to weight ratio on a 5g EX 5spd is better than a 5g V6 auto. So the 4-cyl is a tad quicker. The V6 doesn't quite have enough power to overcome the extra weight or the auto tranny inefficiencies vs the 4-banger. Oh, V6 engines are much heavier than I-4's also.
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Old February 10th, 2004, 07:58 PM   #19
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youre one smart cookie
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Old February 10th, 2004, 08:14 PM   #20
 
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this sucks, it would almost be better to do a h22a swap with a manual, or maybe pul an omega. I new to this game, and yo guys got me dissapointed lol. I thought i was faster with the v6.
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its cool. thanks for the link
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damn i should have weighed my trans but it took 2 of us to move it around and most of the time we just used our legs to push it across the floor. also i probably put down more power because of my clutch.

rob: hondas arent super fast cars and usually the 5 speed guys cant even drive their cars well and will never hit the times that is recorded. In the end they will be about neck and neck with you but it is much easier to mod the 4 banger. if u want quick power just get a turbocharger built we have gave severl options dont have to build engine like me and just up your tranny through level ten or some custom shop. there are easy ways to make power so dont be whiny
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hondas arent super fast cars and usually the 5 speed guys cant even drive their cars well and will never hit the times that is recorded.
Yea, I definitely agree with Omega on this. My best run at the track was 16.2 with only an exhaust. The best I've seen from EX's at the track were 16.5's-16.7's with mods. So all in all, most of the EX's drivers can't drive to hit the low times, but in the same respect, all we do is floor it (no real skill there).

One race I beat a 2000ish Mustang V6 manual w/exhaust and we both had a perfect launch but I still beat him by 1/2 a car length. It's all up to the OTHER driver when we race in our AV6's.

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what else have u raced?
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omega thanks, u have descibed things perfectly...sory for sounding *****y. Alright, i've heard of building up our tranies before, but i am wondering more about it. Can you explain to me certain things they can to the auto tranny and around how much things cost? Or do you think it would just be cheaper to do your manual swap? Also, if i build up my tranny does that mean it can just handle more hp, or it will lighten it and better parts to put the power to the ground? thanks
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oh ya, with ur 5 spd can u top out higher since u have another hear, or r the ratios just different?
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building up your auto trans is a bit easier and levelten.com has all the packages. the manual trans can withstand more but i dont think ur looking to be really fast just quick right? the gear ratios on my trans are different i dont know it by heart but i have it somewhere at home. the manual trans is pretty costly more than auto trans upgrade.

im not a crazy driver i drive very normally so i dont know if it has a higher speed or what not.
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i'm not looking to have a FAST car, especcially because i know i cant afford it and if i did i would have an accord...no offense. My goal is to be able to get to about 230 hp or w.e it take to get going off the line. I have a lot of questions on internals and stuff, do u think i should make a new thread for it or what?
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If your goal is to get going fast off the line you don't need more peak horsepower (high RPM torque). You need an engine that produces a lot of torque at low RPM's and Honda is well known to NOT produce engines with decent low-end torque. They seem to be changing that somewhat with some (not all) of the newer cars, though.
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Old February 11th, 2004, 05:59 PM   #30
 
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yea wat steve said is right u will need torque not horsepower. luckily our engine does produce lots of torque when played with. theres a lot of things u can do u can ask some tech questions to my friend because he will work with NA c27 im going straigh turbo. his name is aidan call him at 626 359-9572
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