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Old December 2nd, 2004, 06:31 PM   #1
 
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Full coilover questions (4cyl and 6cyl compatability)...

Hi guys I noticed the suspension on my 1995 Honda Accord is going out. I'm not suprised, 10 years and 95,000 miles all on stock components.

Anyways I was looking on TireRack and I noticed they sell full coilover systems for our car. Now I know that 4cyl shocks and struts will bolt into our car, so I am assuming these products were intended for the 4-cylinder Accord (since they are not listed on the company websites).

Im particular I am interested in the Koni RSK and H&R Cup kit coilover suspension systems. I was wondering if anyone had these and what their impressions were. Also if I adjust these to a minimal drop in front (so it will be even with the rear), will my handling bias be completely out of wack? I don't want the front be be as stiff as steel and the rear be soft. Also I don't want the front end to be 2" off the ground, I drive this car everywhere!

Also how difficult is the install on these cars? I have done a suspension install on my Nissan Maxima, I am assuming that there is a similar setup? No need to remove the hub?

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Old December 2nd, 2004, 06:55 PM   #2
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i havent had first hand experience with the aforementioned setups. since youre doing the shock and the spring at the same time, it shouldnt be too much hassle
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Old December 3rd, 2004, 07:35 AM   #3
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suspension is easy. you just need the right tools. a 17mm spanner, a 14mm spanner, and a couple air tools is all i needed. i just installed a set of Tein CS with an EDFC.
the hardest part is making sure you don't pop the CV joint out at the front when pulling down on the suspension to yank out the front struts.
that, and getting to those two top back strut mounts is a PITA. other than that, it's cake. a couple of hours if you take your time and move meticulously. but i've seen it done in 30 min. on a lift. i had my craftsman jack and my driveway.

and if you are serious about a full coilover system, look into the Bilstein PSS-9 set up. i think you'll like it.
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Old December 3rd, 2004, 08:02 AM   #4
 
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Thanks for the info!

I just searched for the Bilstein coilovers on Yahoo, I couldn't find the Accord application(?). By the looks of it though, those are a little out of my price range (>$700).
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Old December 3rd, 2004, 10:10 AM   #5
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Thanks for the info!

I just searched for the Bilstein coilovers on Yahoo, I couldn't find the Accord application(?). By the looks of it though, those are a little out of my price range (>$700).
Thanks,
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4 bangers weight 300-350 lbs less then V6 5th gens
the spring rate are made to give rebound @ a certain weight ...
for example ... your chunky relatives 200 + lbs each sit in your backseat
the back end drops down like 3 inches
picture this kinda extra weight all the time on your suspension coils front and back ... not tooo safe

get a full coilover kit and keep the tense higher then medium settings to avoid rebounding and possibly damaging your car

coilover options for 4 bangers that are worth considering because of the tense in their spring rates

Apexi WorldSport
Nex
Tanabe
H&R cup kit

most others use a softer spring rate ... giving more chance for a bouncy ride

( I can get for you shipped for less then 600$ USD )
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ok what are the spring rates of a v6 and an i4? i want to get d2 coilovers from an i4. should i have custom springs done for the front?
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ok what are the spring rates of a v6 and an i4? i want to get d2 coilovers from an i4. should i have custom springs done for the front?
well someone on here said once that the shocks and spring rates are the same for 4 bangers and V6 ...

well, they are not and last summer for me was perfect example of it - I bought a coilover kit that I had faith in and they ended up using a 8kg / mm spring rate for front, which wasn't horrible and a 6kg / mm in the rear - which was way tooooo soft

the kit did not kit properly and I had to uninstall and reinstall the kit over 4 times with my mechanic because of the taiwan bull**** kits they sell

I fully swear against getting a cheap sleeve kit

I'm sure the 4 bangers have a softer spring rate, what exactly I'm not sure but I drive a V6 everyday and my dad has a 4 banger EX and the suspension hop is not the same at all - 350 lbs of weight makes a difference in the spring world and honda knew that when designing the car

get a real kit or get some KYB GR-2 or AGX and some NEUSPEED springs or EIBACH
you'll get a 1.7 " drop and if you cut a coil off you'll drop more for a desired drop if needed

cutting shock springs is ghetto, cutting high performance springs is a better option because they are designed for higher amount of stress
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ok what are the spring rates of a v6 and an i4? i want to get d2 coilovers from an i4. should i have custom springs done for the front?
i was thinking about getting these too!
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ok what are the spring rates of a v6 and an i4? i want to get d2 coilovers from an i4. should i have custom springs done for the front?
that's a good idea, but i would check and see if the rear rates need to be changed as well. there are companies that can custom make you a spring in the diameter you choose as well as the length and rate you choose.

but you're also going to have to worry about the valving of the struts. even with the I4s, the Konis are not the same as the Teins.
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that's a good idea, but i would check and see if the rear rates need to be changed as well. there are companies that can custom make you a spring in the diameter you choose as well as the length and rate you choose.

but you're also going to have to worry about the valving of the struts. even with the I4s, the Konis are not the same as the Teins.
front 8kg/mm is perfect for our heavy front end - it's a comfortable ride
if you want stiffer, like bilstein stiffness you can get 12kg/mm - 16kg/mm but then stiffen the rear end from 6kg/mm to 8kg/mm or even 10kg/mm

with the 8 front and 6 rear I had, the ride was perfect for my style of driving
( driving very very aggressive and taking corners very hard ) I have KYB GR-2 ( kick ass shocks guys )
but if I'd do it again, I'd go with 12kg/mm( front ) and 8kg/mm ( rear )
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