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Old November 29th, 2003, 04:58 PM   #1
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Alternative to Alterstart Alternator (but just as good?)

I was doing some research on a new alternator and everyone on the board recommends Alterstart alternators at 180a. But they cost $299 and thats pretty pricy for me. Anyone else try out any other alternators that cost less but are just as good? I plan on running 2x12'' Type-R's, a Mono amp, a 4 channel amp, 6x9's, components, and 3 LCD's...
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mine just fukken died this morning .. this sucks .. no car for school until i get a new one .. i dunno why it died .. i have an Eclipse platinum series 12 ich sub .. a 1000 watt exclipse amp 450 rockford fosgate i think and all kenwood components .. =/ .. this morning was crazy .. stuck in the cold weather for 2 hours .. trying to fix that shiet .. i couldnt even jump start it .. so i had to tow it back to my house .. goooosh
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well i got a cheapo one from a littel store, some crap called Ginco, in less than 3 months it died, it not completely dead yet, but its acting up and all, so im not driving it.
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anyone found a cheaper alternative yet?
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Old December 5th, 2003, 03:21 PM   #5
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sears has some sears gold alternator or something, i saw it in the flyers.. not sure if its good though, but sears usualy have good warranty
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Old December 7th, 2003, 09:26 PM   #6
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i have a lifetime warranty on my BOSCH alternator from Murrays .. $160 was the price ..
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that seems like a good price! but how many watts or amps is it?
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Old December 8th, 2003, 01:15 AM   #8
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What do you consider cheap anyway ? whats the price range you'll take.. I ordered a refurb off manchester honda, was 160 i think.
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Well its not only about price. Its about the quality and the Amps too. I need something with 180A or 160A....the OEM Delphi one is only 60-80A i believe, which is not enough to power my system while having the Unorthodox Pullies. The Alterstart alternators are around $300, which is out of my price range. Maybe if there was something that was in the $160-200 - but still in the 160-180A. That would be nice.
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Old December 8th, 2003, 05:20 AM   #10
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Yeah this is my third alternator... I only did alterstart because everyone said how good it was.. but my die after 1 year also. So I'm just going back to POS delphi and exchange my alterstart. Now i'll have 2 alternators in case it fails again. Can't find good stuff.. Have you looked at napa?
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Old December 8th, 2003, 05:24 AM   #11
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NAPA Power Supreme Alternator - Remfd (Premium)
Usually ships in 24 hours. RAL
134740K $ 209.00
Core 55.00

w/ 110 Amp Alternator, w/ 6 Groove Pulley


NAPA Power Electrical Alternator - Remfd (Standard)
Usually ships in 24 hours. RSE
2134740K $ 142.99
Core 55.00
w/ 110 Amp Alternator, w/ 6 Groove Pulley


Bosch Alternator - New
Usually ships within 3 to 5 days. BSA
AL1277N $ 184.00
w/ 105 Amp Alternator, w/ Internal Regulator

Bosch Alternator - Remfd
Usually ships in 24 hours. BSA
AL1277X $ 159.00
Core 83.00
w/ 105 Amp Alternator, w/ Internal Regulator

Thats what Napa had.. I thought ours were 105 not 60-80
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i have a lifetime warranty on my BOSCH alternator from Murrays .. $160 was the price ..
Im thinking about getting the Bosch. is that $160 before the core exchange or after?
also Selene posted the Bosch as having 105A will that be enough for my system, i plan on running about 1500W eventually with at least 1.5F thru my capacitors?
How much does the stock Alt really produce?
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Old December 9th, 2003, 02:07 PM   #13
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Old December 11th, 2003, 09:49 PM   #14
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i was pretty sure ours is 105 !!!

someone please confirm.

Alterstart claims 180 but their pulley is smaller, u'll need a shorter belt
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Old December 12th, 2003, 07:36 AM   #15
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Ok, one lest time, i think im gonna get the Bosch this weekend, unless someone else recomends something better. Is there anywhere else to get it besides Napa.
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Old December 13th, 2003, 04:52 PM   #16
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Ok, im about to get the Bosch, i didnt get it today cause i woke up at 2pm and they closed at 1pm so before i plunge for the Bosch does anyone wantto suggest a better alternative. im trying to keep it under $200.

the Napa power suprem and electrical push 110a, according to Selene, all the places i checked have ours as 105a. should i go with the Napa alt, sinceit has a few extra amps for a tad more., is the 5 ampere difference gonna make a difference.

Hey Selene do you know what kind of warranty the Napa alts carry
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Old December 14th, 2003, 01:25 PM   #17
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no idea.. i used napa back when i had a ford.. and they were better than ford parts... like everyone that own a ford went napa and was never sorry.. so i wish you the best of luck.. im gonna get bosch next time once my alt died again..
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Good alt info. Moving to electrical for reference!
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Old December 15th, 2003, 07:52 AM   #19
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Well, whenever i find the time to go down to NAPA ill decide then, i'll let you guys know what i get and all.
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Old December 19th, 2003, 11:33 AM   #20
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Well after talking to all these cats at autozone napa and all, they all said i should try getting it rebuilt.
i went and i was talking to the electrician for a while, he says the Delphi alt that our car comes with IS NOT a problem alt. he says there are a couple of other cars on the market that uses the very same alt but has a different piece at the back, and they dont fail very often, he did say that 105 amps is a pretty high for an alternator, so putting extra loads on it, ie. a sound system creats tremendous stress for it, so then they fail, but as a stock alternator , he swears the Delphi 105A that the accord comes with is very good.

he did say that there were a couple of Delphis in the past that had a defective part and would fail in no time at all, but as soon as the aftermarket came out with a better part to replace it, they pretty much recalled them and that problem was ghost, he says Delphis havent givven any problems since.

So.. his recomendation after all of that is that i replace it with a Delphi the next time it fails.

I took it down there today and he's gonna try to rebuild the one i took out. so we'll see. i'll let you guys know what happens next.
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ohio generator, produces high wound alternators for car audio supersystems, no idea any kinda contact information, just a name I have heard around. good rule of thumb is that your alternator must give 40% of its output to your car's standard functions 60% is reserve (lights, a/c, etc...) and thats waht you have to play with....now if you rembmer ohms, law, you could take the # of total watts and divide it by the input voltage for a rought estimation of amperage (or, just add up the fuses, for an even rougher estimation) dont forget this is only MAX, not RMS or anything normal. if you are within 10% of your alternators output you are fine (they dotn like to be run at 100%)....now, going to a higher output alternator CAN have problems, 1. stock wiring not being able to handle the higher amperage and catch on fire, I have seen it with my own two eyes 2. the ELD (electrical load detector ) which regulats the amperage going to the cars electrical system, might not be able to work with such a high amperage. 3. most system fuses will be too low for such a high amerage load, and will blow everytime the amperage gets too high.....

to me, the benefit to a ho alternator, is that it allows your alt. to only have to run at like 50-60% of its duty cycle so it dosent get burnt out too quickly, not so much to give you "more power" In some instances yes, but it requires a lot of custom wiring in most cases to fully realize this.

for the guy running UR pulley, was this replacing the stock alternator pulley, if so, you are asking for trouble, you are going to fry the bearing in taht thing much quicker, as well as damage the coils and the rectifier brigdge by overdriving it....think of overclokcing a cpu.....
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Jgold good knowledge man.
i plan on getting them RVM pulleys too, but now that ive heard all this stuff about the high output alt our cars require, makes me feel better about underdriving the alt a little with the pulleys.
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Old December 19th, 2003, 07:54 PM   #23
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as long as its underdriving, not overdriving. but underdrving will cause it to produce x% less output than it expects due to the slower rotation.
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Old December 19th, 2003, 10:52 PM   #24
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sweet, so it may even last longer with pulleys, so with a battery upgrade and capacitors, my lights and stuff will be good
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Ok, i spoke to the guy just this morning, he ordered the part and everything, and siad its gonna cost approx. $140.
He said all it needed was a regular and a few new contacts. so thats still $20 cheaper than the lowest rebuilt one in any store around here AFTER a core exchange. it should be ready by noon, so i'll go pick it up and a new battery on my way back.

What kind of battery did you guys recommedn agian, was it Everstart 760c?
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Old December 22nd, 2003, 07:33 AM   #26
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I would rather go though 3 autozone batteries in 4 years than 1 yellow top in 2.....just a thought.....
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whats a yellow top?
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Old December 22nd, 2003, 07:48 AM   #28
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optima ....what I am saying is that people tend to over estimate the importance of a battery in daily driver car audio system
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oh, ok, but im not trying to spend all that cash right now, i think im gonna get the Everstart one. i think they sell Everstart on base too
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thats what I am trying to say, get a cheap one.....just dont play the system with the engine off for too long....
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