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Old June 15th, 2009, 09:13 AM   #1
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Retrofit issues

Finally put the retros in yesterday, and they look superb!! Did some wire splicing and cutting and had to push the wiper fluid reservoir to the side more to fit them. It started to rain yesterday, and I was so happy to use them in the rain, and I could finally see. lol But then I got home, and I noticed three minor (but major to me) issues.

1. Cutoff is not straight with the right headlight due to poor alignment.

2. Right headlight has a little fog in the corners; left headlight has major fog. I never had issues with the TYCs fogging. Could it be that there is now a hole at the bottom of the car where the factory airbox system was? We had to finally remove the rest of that assembly to fit the headlight.

3. Color of the light is not nearly what I thought it would be. I was expecting white with a hint of blue, but they look yellow to me.

Here's my setup:

TSX projectors
Denso slim ballasts
Wiring harness with one relay going to both low beams
Philips 85122+ Bulbs

Can someone please tell me...

1. How do I align the projectors without having to take apart the assembly?

2. Can I have a shop reseal the headlights and have zero fog issues anymore?

3. Will my 4300k Philips bulbs colorshift or should I just get aftermarket 5000k? The bulbs start out white with blue when first turned on, but then they keep getting less blue and eventually look a tad yellow to me, and it doesn't match my white leds at all inside the car and over the license plate.

Please advise. Thanks!
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The bulbs are not 85122+s Trevor, they're 85122s...which will colorshift as you put more hours of use on them. If you're not happy with the color, I'd recommend leaving the lights on whenever you're driving to accumulate the usage time...or buy those DDM bulbs I showed you that are about $30 brand new.
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You can adjust the beam patterns horizontally or vertically. I'm pretty sure the whole assembly needs to be taken apart to gain access to the housings/projector

Any shop can do that for you, just not worth it to pay them IMO. Also, if Rich or a shop did the retro for you, their warranty is voided if you take them apart. Don't know why your headlights are fogging, perhaps you should sit them in the sun until they dry up then work on resealing the back of the projectors or the amber light bulb socket. Look for anywhere where moisture is getting through.

If you've got the phillips + bulbs, they won't color shift. The regular ones will, however.
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The bulbs are not 85122+s Trevor, they're 85122s...which will colorshift as you put more hours of use on them. If you're not happy with the color, I'd recommend leaving the lights on whenever you're driving to accumulate the usage time...or buy those DDM bulbs I showed you that are about $30 brand new.
I'll look for the link you sent again. Thanks for the deal on these, but I don't have patience for the colorshift. lol I didn't realize they'd be this yellow, more yellow than my friend's TSX. I'll look for the link for those bulbs or possibly get some 85122cm or used 85123.

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You can adjust the beam patterns horizontally or vertically. I'm pretty sure the whole assembly needs to be taken apart to gain access to the housings/projector

Any shop can do that for you, just not worth it to pay them IMO. Also, if Rich or a shop did the retro for you, their warranty is voided if you take them apart. Don't know why your headlights are fogging, perhaps you should sit them in the sun until they dry up then work on resealing the back of the projectors or the amber light bulb socket. Look for anywhere where moisture is getting through.

If you've got the phillips + bulbs, they won't color shift. The regular ones will, however.
I'm thinking if I give the moisture a hole to escape from, it will be fine. I had to do this to my oem headlights years ago, and it worked great. No more haze in the headlamp. I'm talking the smallest drill bit hole in an inconspicuous location. So this means, two problems will undoubtedly be fixed, and only problem remaining is the alignment of the right headlight, but that's not that big of a priority I guess.
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1. you can align up and down only with out opening housing..
2.reseal with RVT silicone yourself
3. i have the same bulbs and they dont get that much whiter. i was also going to looking into aftermarket bulbs.

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1. you can align up and down only with out opening housing..
2.reseal with RVT silicone yourself
3. i have the same bulbs and they dont get that much whiter. i was also going to looking into aftermarket bulbs.

keep us posted trev
http://www.ddmtuning.com/index.php?p...=264&parent=85

These are the bulbs Brad was suggesting for a very cheap alternative, but Idk about the quality. I think my final decision is to go with Philips 5000k 85122CM (rare) bulbs. I found some on ebay. So all in all it'd be $150 shipped for bulbs alone. lol

So chiefy, how do I go about aligning vertically?

EDIT: I ended up just purchasing some Philips Crystal Vision 5000k bulbs, the same as the 5000k Philips 85122CX bulbs from Japan, because I could only find the 85122CM bulbs on ebay with a space between the 85122 and the CM, which seemed fake. I couldn't find the CM bulbs anywhere else. I spent $220 shipped on these bulbs, so hopefully they're worth it. Anyone tried them out yet? I think this will definitely get rid of the nasty yellow and only reduce output to 3000 lumens instead of 3400, which isn't too bad.
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anyone know if drilling two holes at the bottom of the headlight would help dissipate the condensation? I did this with my oem lights a long time ago, and it worked, but then the headlight got more dirty inside. I don't want this to happen, but I don't know what else to do, cause I'd prefer to not take the front bumper off again. I wonder if it's the seal around the projector that isn't tight. In that case, I wouldn't really have to take the headlight out right?

BTW, I'm totally digging the light output and how I can actually see the light bounce on the ground like my friend's TSX. So it's not all bad things. hehe
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won't take pics till I can solve this condensation issue.

I've been reading good and bad things about drilling holes to vent the moisture, but it seemed to work best to help it evaporate when I took out my high beam bulb for a little bit, so wouldn't two small holes do the trick? Problem is where? I think they'd be small enough to not let in much dust yet big enough to let water vent.

Anyone? anyone?
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if you dont have patience for color shifting.

I would do this [I did this method when I didnt get my Philips 85122+ yet and I had some gay generic ebay 4300 bulbs]

I drove with my lights on during the day and night so they were always on so I let them "break in". When I got home, I left my drivers door stay open [not all the way, just slightly cracked] so that the lights would stay on for about 20 minutes. I do have an Optima yellow top so I didnt worry about the battery going out on me.
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Oh no I fixed that issue by buying 85122CX bulbs yesterday (Philips Crystal Vision 5000k)... now I'm just trying to figure out how to solve the headlight moisture issue without taking the headlight out. Maybe if I just resealed the top? Gosh I want to get this solved asap. Nerds at NTB told me it can't be fixed, and I would just have to buy a whole new headlight. I'm like, "OMG! This is not true." He then told me he doesn't know anything about headlights, he just does headlight restoration.

Btw, can I still aim the passenger-side low beam higher with the adjustment screw?
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It depends on how the projector was mounted.

My projectors were mounted and can still be adjusted up/down, left/right.

How much were your 85122CX bulbs?
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If Rich made the retrofitted headlights, they should be mounted to the reflector housing and, as a result, use the stock adjustment screws. However, if they're not level, then the stock up/down/left/right adjustments are useless...they'll have to be opened up and fixed.
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JnC method FTW.
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It depends on how the projector was mounted.

My projectors were mounted and can still be adjusted up/down, left/right.

How much were your 85122CX bulbs?
Okay, so what about this condensation issue?? I'll try aligning the headlights vertically tonight. I might also take off the front bumper and reseal the headlights, probably both of them just to be sure before I try to drill holes in the bottom of them. Then I could test the seal job with a small mist, and if nothing gets in, it should be ok. Drilling holes would be a lot easier than this, but resealing would be better.

The 85122CX bulbs cost me a pretty penny, $220 shipped. I'm thinking though they'll be the color I want and won't color shift and only 10% light is lost. They should last three years or more, so might as well get the best.

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If Rich made the retrofitted headlights, they should be mounted to the reflector housing and, as a result, use the stock adjustment screws. However, if they're not level, then the stock up/down/left/right adjustments are useless...they'll have to be opened up and fixed.
They are indeed mounted to the reflector, so this means the screw can move the light up??? I'll try it. I mean the main thing is that the passenger beam is like an inch lower, it's not a level cutoff, and it's a tad slanted, but that doesn't bother me as much. The driver's side beam is perfect, but that's the light with the condensation. Craziness!!
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JnC method FTW.
what's JnC?
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Oh i can see what your problem is by your 2nd pic...
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what's JnC?
its what people call the method of mounting a projector with rotational adjustabilty.
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They are indeed mounted to the reflector, so this means the screw can move the light up??? I'll try it. I mean the main thing is that the passenger beam is like an inch lower, it's not a level cutoff, and it's a tad slanted, but that doesn't bother me as much. The driver's side beam is perfect, but that's the light with the condensation. Craziness!!
lol...Yes, one set of screws moves the headlights up/down while the other set moves the headlights left/right. However, if the cutoff is "slanted", those movements won't solve the problem. Hence, why it must be level when mounted to the reflector headlight before sealing up the headlight.
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That really doesn't bother me too much. I basically just want to move the projector horizontally and vertically anyway. I don't care all that much that the cutoff isn't perfect, at least for now.

I'll keep you all posted on what I do to fix the condensation, and some things will come later on...

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Man...I remember going through that bulb color phase. If I were you, I wouldn't worry about it. The 85122s are going to color shift. They look yellow to you behind the wheel, but everyone else sees white. It's actually good that the light looks yellow to you from the driver's seat.
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Man...I remember going through that bulb color phase. If I were you, I wouldn't worry about it. The 85122s are going to color shift. They look yellow to you behind the wheel, but everyone else sees white. It's actually good that the light looks yellow to you from the driver's seat.
I know what you mean, but I already spent $220 on some Philips 85122CX bulbs, because I need that little bit of blue to make me happy. I'm only going to 5000k, so like not much light is gonna be lost Jeff (no worries) . These will just be at the shade I want them to be with only 100 less lumens (300 less than 85122+) I found out...

Philips HID:

85122 - 4150K @ 3200 Lumens
85122+ - 4300k @ 3400 Lumens
85122cm - 4800k @ 3100 Lumens
85122cx - 5000K @ 3100 Lumens. Newly introduced light called Crystal Vision

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horses... hold them. my friend and I are resealing them tonight, and I can't exactly take any pics yet, cause it won't stop raining here.
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this thread brings up a good question

what is the best way to mount projectors so that you can still rotate them in case they are not level

my retros' were JB welded, so it doesn't look like they can be rotated
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JnC for sure^
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I had some major issues with condensation in the past. I actually fixed that by geting waterproof silicone and went to town where the lens meets the headlight housing. I have not had any problems with condensation as of this year.

I wouldnt recommending drilling holes at the bottom because you get like bugs and debris caught up there
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I have the TYC projector too and I have plan to retrofit with TSX projector but I have question for you

Did you retrofit by your self or rich help you?if you did your self,do you cut from the back of headlight or you open from the front of headlight.
I saw in some tread this guy put the headlight on oven to open the front of headlight,is it true guys? how much the oven temp I can use b4 I melt the headlight?

Thanks for any input
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^Dude.. you need to search.
all that info is posted on these forums.
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I already search on HID/RETROFIT tread and I don't get the info what I looking for.I will try one more time again
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I already search on HID/RETROFIT tread and I don't get the info what I looking for.I will try one more time again
Keep searching and dont give it.

How are you searching? What are you putting in when you search?
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