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Old November 18th, 2010, 11:53 AM   #1
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Hi.

So yeah my car was re-sprayed at one point, and the guys at the body shop did not remove the door trim in the process. This left a portion of the underlying (original) coat exposed....just about 2-3mm below the trim panels.

Just this year, the clear-coat started peeling and spreading...and it's picking up pace.

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I'm not getting the entire door re-painted.

This is just a temp. fix to keep it from spreading...I'll get the car painted again sometime in the next 2 years.


My questions are:

1. How expensive is paint?

2. Can touch-up paint be used to cover that great of an area?

3. What do you think about the following procedure?

-sand down to the dull-purple base-coat
-clean
-apply a few coats of paint
-wet-sand with a make-shift sanding block






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Old November 18th, 2010, 01:59 PM   #2
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paint can be expensive depending on the shop you go to and the brand of paint the shop you go to uses. to get something like that repaired at my shop would probably cost you around 800 to have spot repaired. what would have to happen is to have both doors detrimmed and the flaking area sanded down and primed. detrimming would include removing both belt mouldings, both door panels, both door handles, front bumper and right side headlight because the front fender and rear door would have to be blended in order to get a correct color match. in this case i would just recommend an all over paint job because it would cost you 1000 for a base clear paint job at my work. add up the detrimming and repairing for a grand total of somewhere around 1400. touch up painting that bif of an area would really just make a big mess and probably end up looking just as bad if not worse than what you already have. you can try your sanding, touch up, sanding, polishing plan but i would be surprised if it came out any better than what it is. hope i answered all your questions and would be glad to answer any other ones you have.
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Old November 18th, 2010, 03:43 PM   #3
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Ha, just the man I needed to see.

Mte on the full paint job. I've got a few dings/scratches/and/or scrapes on each panel so it just makes no sense to pay that kind of money for partial spray.

Yea, I'm really not just too concerned with it looking perfect...More so, I'm just interested in keeping it from spreading....(much like how the original clear coat just got progressively worse)


I guess what I really want to know is if touch-up paint will hold up..when applied to a fairly large (rough-sanded and cleaned) area. (?) (will it just flake off over a few months and have me back at square one?)

Also if I'm not just too concerned aesthetics, is there another route I can take?


Thank you for your help.

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Old November 18th, 2010, 05:00 PM   #4
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paint can be expensive depending on the shop you go to and the brand of paint the shop you go to uses. to get something like that repaired at my shop would probably cost you around 800 to have spot repaired. what would have to happen is to have both doors detrimmed and the flaking area sanded down and primed. detrimming would include removing both belt mouldings, both door panels, both door handles, front bumper and right side headlight because the front fender and rear door would have to be blended in order to get a correct color match. in this case i would just recommend an all over paint job because it would cost you 1000 for a base clear paint job at my work. add up the detrimming and repairing for a grand total of somewhere around 1400. touch up painting that bif of an area would really just make a big mess and probably end up looking just as bad if not worse than what you already have. you can try your sanding, touch up, sanding, polishing plan but i would be surprised if it came out any better than what it is. hope i answered all your questions and would be glad to answer any other ones you have.
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Old November 23rd, 2010, 12:14 PM   #5
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Adam, I have just one or two last questions.

Is touch-up paint strong enough to apply to a large area like that? Will it just flake off after a while?


Also, since I'm more so concerned about keeping the damage contained than I am about how it looks, is there another option?


Thanks Again.
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Old November 23rd, 2010, 01:24 PM   #6
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what shop did you get it painted it originally ?

I was thinking of getting my car repainted in berlina black one day,(wishful thinking )

Btw dont ever go to dobbs honda on mendenhall, the paintshop they use sucks donkey balls, not only that their service section sucks too..
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Adam, I have just one or two last questions.

Is touch-up paint strong enough to apply to a large area like that? Will it just flake off after a while?


Also, since I'm more so concerned about keeping the damage contained than I am about how it looks, is there another option?


Thanks Again.
touch up paint is not meant for large areas like that, its meant to be globbed on and then removed to fill in scrachtes, etc

what you have is paint/clearcoat failure. Its a problem with the paint.

Theres nothing you can do to fix this, the paint is going bad, putting anything on top would probably end up cracking in time

Best advice is to stop the spread

Go get some good razor blades/ exacto blade and try scrape the peeling clear coat as best as you can. Then get some polishing compound and try to add some shine to that base coat.

Don't get a compound that is too aggressive or you will just rub off the base coat and get into the primer.
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Old November 23rd, 2010, 08:55 PM   #8
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^the whole idea behind painting over is to stop the spread, I don't care about the looks




@Lx:

man I went to **** Diggons on Democrat back in 05...

I wouldn't go back there again though...

The management really pissed me off because they weren't going let a 20 year old tell them that "the alignment on the car is ****, yall didn't even do one"

Regarding the quality of the work:

There's obviously the above problem.

Large panels look fine after paint, but there were a few little pieces of grit left in the paint here and there.

The inboard side of my rear-views are not painted.

The ****ing suck at aligning panels..

Apparently you have to tell them if you want the dings removed from your doors when they do a paint job.



I understand that I don't own a show-car, and I sure didn't pay for a flawless paint job, but I don't recommend this place.....

They just cut corners wherever they could.

They are the quintessential Memphis business.

Wherever you go, be sure to thoroughly inspect your car before leaving....
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like i said you can't just paint over it, its not going to bond well enough + it has an unstable base, so it will just peel off

tried to help, good luck with that
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Old November 24th, 2010, 10:26 AM   #10
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^Chill, I just acknowledged the part of your last post where you eluded to that fact that I am trying to completely fix the problem rather than stop its progression.

The bit about razor blades was useful though. I'm thinking the best plan would be:

-Cut and remove the clear
-Clean
-Tape-off
-Apply some clear-coat in a manner so that the cuts I make with the razor are over-lapped.

Not going to bother w/ polish as it might effect adhesion.
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that sucks man, yea memphis shops for the most part suck, but there a few good ones too, like apex collision on covington pike, I took my car a few times and they did real good work, but they are kinda $$$$, lol
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Old November 26th, 2010, 03:26 PM   #12
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Oh it's not limited to shops alone, it seems like every facet of the Memphis service industry contains employees that don't know how NOT to half-ass their work.

Apex huh, is that the shop w/ the Two-tone Mustang (yellow and black) always parked out front? I used to work at that Saturn dealership right by there.
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i think i saw a yukon at the shop most of these days, its on thomas and there is a like a econo paint across the street,lol
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