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Old May 24th, 2003, 08:42 PM   #1
 
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V-AFC install (the easy way)

This is the easy way to install an Apexi V-AFC. First disconnect your negative battery cable. Then pull the carpet away from the top back of the passenger side center console. Unplug the four connectors from your PCM (ECU).
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Old May 24th, 2003, 08:43 PM   #2
 
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Normally this is where the install gets hard and you got to start cutting and splicing wires.

This is for a 1998-2002 Accord V6.

Code:
Pin	Name			Wire color	Pigtail color
A19	NEP (RPM)		GRN		Green
B1	IGP1 (Power)		YEL/BLK		Red and Orange
B12	VTS (VTEC solenoid)	GRN/YEL (cut)	Purple (out) and Pink (in)
B20	LG1 (Ground)		BRN/BLK		Brown (closer to PCM) and Black
C10	VTM (VTEC sensor)	BLU/BLK (cut)	Blue (out)
C17	MAP (Pressure)		RED/GRN (cut)	Yellow (out) and White (in)	
C27	TPS (Throttle)		RED/BLK		Gray
Note: (out) is to the PCM, (in) is from the car's wiring

Another setup for only the 1998-1999 Accord V6 is here.
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Old May 24th, 2003, 08:45 PM   #3
 
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But I got a Frog Engine Controls harness with attached V-AFC pigtail.
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Old May 24th, 2003, 08:46 PM   #4
 
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Remove lower center console cover (easier said then done) and route the pigtail through the hole. Plug in the stock B, C, D connectors to harness and then plug the harness into the PCM. After that plug in the A connector and you’re basically done.
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Old May 24th, 2003, 09:06 PM   #5
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wow, thas great, thanx 4 the info

J/outta curiousity, w/the "frog thing", how easy or hard wud u rate the install, on a scale of 1-10?

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I would rate it as a 3. I spent more time checking the Frog harness and looking over the manual than I did on the install.

On the same scale I would rate headers as a 6. A CAI install is a 4. The DIY icebox is 3. Installing the basic factory alarm is a 5. Installing cams looks to be a 9 and I'm not sure I want try anything over an 8.

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any shot of the final product? looks real clean- i'm glad i waited to get a VAFC...otherwise someone might've charged me an arm and a leg for install.


still gotta bring it to a dyno shop though...

sucks.
how much was the harness- can't get the price list to come up on their site...
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Old May 24th, 2003, 09:33 PM   #8
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thas great, thanx

btw how much was the frogharness?
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Originally posted by iLLeGaLaKKoRD on May 24th, 2003 at 10:06 PM

wow, thas great, thanx 4 the info

J/outta curiousity, w/the "frog thing", how easy or hard wud u rate the install, on a scale of 1-10?

Thanx
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it's "PLUG N PLAY" !!
he basically explained it all! doesnt seem too hard

just have to get it tuned afterwards

i was looking at the frog site and read this

"This product is best describe as an extension fitted between the engine harness and the car's ECU, with all the connections needed for the controller installation tapped. Resulting in no cutting of any factory wires.

We can also pre-wire the unit so it is plug and play, all we need is the "pig tail" from the unit.


did you send them this "pig tail" to have it plug n play ready?
im assuming the vafc comes with a 2 peice wire or something and one part is this "pig tail" am i right?

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Old May 24th, 2003, 09:39 PM   #10
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I kno how to connect wires, my question was aimed at GETTING to the area where the wires ARE...


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Old May 24th, 2003, 09:47 PM   #11
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can you include a pic of the v-afc attached to the pig tails, and also price would be great


WOW and its easier than installing an intake or diy ice box??? holy jeez

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The harness itself costs $150 (and that was a groupbuy on s2ki.com) so don't expect to save money. I did send them the pigtail of the V-AFC to make it plug-and-play. The main reason I got it is so I can go back to 100% stock if needed. Plus, I can rewire it to make an 99 Acura TL PCM work.

I'm thinking of putting in sunglasses holder as I saw pics of someone doing that before. Looks like I still have to cut wires but only to extend them.
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Old May 24th, 2003, 10:41 PM   #13
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hehe, I mean can u actually show how the wires from the vafc looks while its connected to the pigtails? if not then dont worry.
Thanks anyway
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wow..thats nice! so simple n no splicing wires
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Old May 25th, 2003, 01:03 PM   #15
 
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Great job of posting simple, easy steps to this install!

How different, if at all different, is installing the V-AFC into a 2000? Would I need to send my pigtail to Frog or would they already have an idea of what to make? Thanks.
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Old May 25th, 2003, 06:01 PM   #16
 
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The 2000 V6 Accords use the same wiring connections (I wasn't sure when I orginally posted). If you don't send them the V-AFC pigtail then you will have to connect the pigtail to the harness yourself. If you have a 98-99 Accord you might want to tell them the V-AFC update is wrong use and they should make the harness using the WH-3 diagram otherwise just tell them you have a 00-02 Accord V6.
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But I got a Frog Engine Controls harness[/URL] with attached V-AFC pigtail.
I went to their site and see no way of ordering one there. And what appears to be a link to their retailers doesn't work. Are they still in business? Where'd you get yours? Thx.
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I'm thinking of putting in sunglasses holder as I saw pics of someone doing that before. Looks like I still have to cut wires but only to extend them.
You mean like this:
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Old May 25th, 2003, 11:17 PM   #19
 
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I went to their site and see no way of ordering one there. And what appears to be a link to their retailers doesn't work. Are they still in business? Where'd you get yours? Thx.
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The harness itself costs $150 (and that was a groupbuy on s2ki.com) so don't expect to save money.
I'm sure they are still around. Try the email address listed on their site.
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I'll post one more picture. The lower center console cover I removed is marked. The picture should tell you exactly where the PCM wiring is.
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I'll post one more picture. The lower center console cover I removed is marked. The picture should tell you exactly where the PCM wiring is.
Great job and great info! I hadn't thought of that useless glasses stowaway but its brilliant and looks awesome. Just hope I can get that Frog wiring thing. Thanks! One more question: How did you run the cable from the ecu up there? Doesn't seem like it'd be long enough.
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someone try to set up a groupbuy on this thing if all of us are goin to get it we should at least save some flow.....they quoted me $200+shipping....bastards

i know i'm quasi interested cause incase something screws up i want to be able to put pcm back to stock with no taps or electrical tape attached
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Yea group buy!
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if i can set up a groupbuy, how many people would be in?
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if i can set up a groupbuy, how many people would be in?
You do realize that there is a GB fee, right?

It is $25 and has to be OK'd by Tim (CrazyHorse)

But I am very interested.

BTW- Once the unit is in, the car won't run worth a ****! You have to set the perameters before you can drive the car to the dyno. (at least this is what I was told)
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i'd be interested too

and a guy i met at the track had a 98 accord coupe with i/h/e and an untuned vafc and he ran a 15.1 !!!
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BTW- Once the unit is in, the car won't run worth a ****! You have to set the perameters before you can drive the car to the dyno. (at least this is what I was told)
You need to do a basic setup before starting your car and it will run like normal. First initialize it (that resets everything and sets all the MAP settings to 0% change), select engine type (6cyl), select MAP sensor type (6), setup the throttle sensor, set the LO->HI VTEC changeover (3500 RPM), and lastly set the HI->LO VTEC changeover (3400 RPM).
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You need to do a basic setup before starting your car and it will run like normal. First initialize it (that resets everything and sets all the MAP settings to 0% change), select engine type (6cyl), select MAP sensor type (6), setup the throttle sensor, set the LO->HI VTEC changeover (3500 RPM), and lastly set the HI->LO VTEC changeover (3400 RPM).
HAHAHA
I just re-read the installation instructions and notice that you can do the "set-up"...

I was told by the DYNO facility that you had to set the thing before you could drive... maybe that is what he meant.
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There is currently a groupbuy on the VAFC for $290 shipped at groupbuycenter.com. I usually see this price for all groupbuys on VAFC's. Is there any chance anyone can get it at a lower price for members of this board, or should I just buy it for $290 shipped?
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Old June 14th, 2003, 03:26 AM   #30
 
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Check Ebay

http://search.ebay.com/search/search...rt&query=v-afc
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