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Old May 13th, 2004, 03:21 AM   #1
 
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The CL-S Transmission Swap List *Details Inside...*

Ok guys and gals, here is the complete list of parts that I used for the CL-S transmission swap. (Note: this list is based on what was used on my 1999 Honda Accord Coupe V6 EX. The parts may vary depending on your car year).

Acura Parts

('03 Acura CL-S 6sp Manual)
*Unknown*-------------------Transmission Assy.
22100-PGE-026---------------Flywheel
22200-PGE-006---------------Disk, Friction
22300-PGE-006---------------Disk, Pressure
24600-PYZ-000---------------Stay, Change Wire
31200-PGE-A11RM------------Motor Assy., Starter
46600-S3M-A51---------------Pedal Assy., Brake
46910-S3M-A01---------------Pedal, Clutch
46930-S3M-A01---------------Cylinder, Slave
50805-S3M-A03---------------Rubber,FR Transmission Mounting
50806-S3M-A03---------------Rubber,RR Transmission Mounting
90011-PGC-000---------------Bolt 12MM (Qty of 8)
90034-PRC-000---------------Bolt, 12Point 8M (Qty of 6)

(2002-2003 Acura RSX 3 Door Type-S)
08U92-S6M-200B--------------Knob - 6MT

Honda Parts

('93 Honda Civic Si)
46920-SR3-A01----------------M/Cyl Assy., Clutch

('99 Honda Accord 4cyl Manual)
24470-PX5-000-----------------Lever, Gearshift
46966-S84-A00-----------------Stay, Tank
46971-S84-A02-----------------Hose, Clutch Fluid
46972-S84-A01-----------------Tank, Resevoir
46973-S84-A01-----------------Cap, Resevoir
46974-S84-A01-----------------Diaphragm
46990-S84-A01-----------------Brkt, Clutch Pedal
54100-S84-A01-----------------Lever Assy., Change
54310-S84-A01-----------------Wire, Change
77297-S84-A00ZA--------------Panel
83414-S84-A01ZA--------------Boot Assy.

A. There might be one or two little parts not mentioned or have to be customized. But this is the list of parts that was used to the best of my knowledge.
B. I did recall that the mechanic have to modify part no. 24600-PYZ-000 (Stay, Change Wire) in order to fit into the car.
C. You can go to http://www.acuraautomotiveparts.org/ and http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/ to verify the part number and price.
D. I cannot get the part number for the transmission assembly since I bought it used at a junkyard. But I'm pretty much sure that the cost of a new CL-S Transmission will be about $4000. The cost of a used one will vary depending on the mileage and condition.

Now here are the side effects to the swap (based on what I have experienced during the swap):

-the rev is limited to around 5000 rpm
-the speedometer doesn't work
-the odometer doesn't work
-the cruise control doesn't work
-the Check Engine light is always on
-the white reverse light does not come on when you put the car in reverse
-the transmission light always leave a red neutral light on and the green D4 light blinks all the time

There is always a solution to eliminate most or all the bugs. Some of the details can be found here: http://www.v6performance.net/forums/...97&forumid=142. The rest... well... try to improvise.

Well, that pretty much wraps it up. If there is anything to add or comment, please feel free.

Big thanks to Jimmyrecluse for making the "impossible" possible.
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Old May 13th, 2004, 05:42 PM   #2
 
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Re: The CL-S Transmission Swap List *Details Inside...*

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here are the side effects to the swap (based on what I have experienced during the swap):

-the rev is limited to around 5000 rpm
-the speedometer doesnft work
-the odometer doesnft work
-the cruise control doesnft work
-the Check Engine light is always on
-the white reverse light does not come on when you put the car in reverse
-the transmission light always leave a red neutral light on and the green D4 light blinks all the time
Not to be a hater, but not having a working speedometer is a little more than a side effect! A malfunctioned odometer is illegal also. Do you think that the CEL is actually telling you something?
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Not to be a hater, but not having a working speedometer is a little more than a side effect! A malfunctioned odometer is illegal also. Do you think that the CEL is actually telling you something?
Well, I was well aware of the legal issue regarding a malfunction speedometer and odometer. That is why I am trying to get that fixed as soon as possible. Right now, I am discussing with two shops around my area to see what they can do about it. Once I get the info/solution, then I will have that posted up in this thread.

As for the CEL... Well, the mechanics already mentioned it to me after they did my transmission swap. They said the engine is ok... that the CEL was pertaining to the auto transmission (which I have none).

Thanks for your concern.

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Thanks Harum!



You have to make the ECU think it is driving an AT car. Remember that.
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Old May 15th, 2004, 12:31 AM   #6
 
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Thanks Harum!



You have to make the ECU think it is driving an AT car. Remember that.
No problem.



Well, the shop that I originally taken it to for the transmission swap never have the time to get around fixing the bugs after they did the swap... their schedule is very tight so they won't get around fixing the bugs in my car for a while. That is why I am going around to another shop and see if they have the time and knowledge into fixing it. Thanks for the reminder, I'll keep that in mind...

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You have to make the ECU think it is driving an AT car. Remember that.
Yeah the ECU still thinks it’s in park so that’s why your are having a lot of those problems (mainly the 5000 rpm limit). The rest are caused by a broken/missing speed sensor.



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Not having the main and counter shaft sensors working is also a problem. Without a signal from them you wont be able to rev past 5000. They also affect your speedometer.
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Not having the main and counter shaft sensors working is also a problem. Without a signal from them you wont be able to rev past 5000. They also affect your speedometer.
We know... we did it. The Stand alone is to coerrect the 5k problem and tune the car.
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Did not mean to imply that you did not know but since i had not seen it mentioned I wrote aobut it.

How were you able to correct for the lack of the sensors inputs?
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A Stand alone ecu. The speedo does not work though. You could get it to work if you want to spend the money. There is a company in OC that sell all kinds of halleffect sensors.. we ould mount something on the axle like heavy trucks do. I have a few ideas just been too burnt to do it now. I've talked to everyone.. .mechanics, my friend, my friend (engineer at Honda) and his friend (CLS engineer at Honda) tried lots of things talked to copanies that make different sensors for Chevy v8 jaguars... Tried using other 2 pin honda senors that fit in the trans.. there is a way to do it but it will cost you if there is cutom work involved.
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how does the speedo not work? doesn't the speedo move up when the car is shut off and just rolling downhill? i thought it all had to do with the tire rotation not engine... also, can't u just get the I4 accord gauge cluter with 5 speed? so you don't have the auto D, D3, d2 ect ... on the cluster? everything else is same as I4 5 speed right?
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^ you can use the 4cyl gauge cluster to get rid of the d234 N P but the speedo depends on sensors... sensors that are different on the CL and will not work with the Accord ecu.
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Hey Eric, does your cruise control or reverse light work?? or is your CEL always on?
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Cruise control can NOT work if the ECU doesn not know how fast the car is moving. The CEL is on becuase I have disonnected other thing like the EGR valve and blocked it off. The reverse lights dont work right off because think about it...

The car was an AUTO.. Now it is a stick the wiring is different. You just have to wire up the reverse lights, it is simple.

Th best thing to do would be to swap the whole engine ECU trans harness and fuse boxes.. everything.


As far as the CEL coming on after the swap you need to make the ECU think it is driving an AT. Even with all the sensors hooked up off the trans this still might not do it.
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SOOOO , what stand alone is he using? Sorry if I missed it , I kinda skimed through.
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Nevermind , I figured it out
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wow there are much better threads on doing the 6 spd swap...this was a hack job at best.......
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Pretty old thread this one. One of the first ones.
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wow there are much better threads on doing the 6 spd swap...this was a hack job at best.......
lol hack job? Its not an easy project. And I think this was the 2nd done after mine
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