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Old April 13th, 2010, 05:37 PM   #1
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225/35/19 on 19x10 problem...help!

Hey guys, I'm struggling here so hopefully someone can give me some advice...

My 225/35/19 Falken ST115s (which were at the time I bought them considered to be "excellent" for stretching) aren't close to fitting on my rear 19x10s. They're on the wheel, but the "J-channels" are clearly visible on the barrel and the tires won't hold air. As a comparison, the new 215/35/19 Falken FK452s that I recently bought for the front 19x9s fit without a problem and hardly even look stretched at all. I've been told that the age of the tires is irrelevant, that they didn't compress at all over the last 1-2 years that they've been mounted on my Work wheels at the shop.

If any of you tire-stretching gurus can chime in, I'd appreciate it. I'd like to figure out a way to salvage these tires on these wheels, but I'm assuming the worst-case scenario is that I'll end up buying a pair of 225/35/19 Falken FK452s and pray that they stretch as well as the 215s did on my front wheels. I've heard that maybe mounting them on the car and putting the weight of the vehicle on the tires could possibly help expand them down, but this came from wheel/tire guys that have never even seen a stretched tire before.

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Old April 13th, 2010, 05:58 PM   #2
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do a 225/40/19.. 225/35 on a 19 is... err..

Did they use the cheetah to put the tire on the wheel or what.
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do a 225/40/19.. 225/35 on a 19 is... err..

Did they use the cheetah to put the tire on the wheel or what.
40 series on 19s would increase the overall diameter.
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Old April 13th, 2010, 06:01 PM   #4
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But the thickness of the tire will be larger, thus having more room to play with. But what do I know.. lala
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do a 225/40/19.. 225/35 on a 19 is... err..

Did they use the cheetah to put the tire on the wheel or what.
Yes, the cheetah was used for both the fronts and rears but just without luck on the rears. The last tire guy also recommended a 225/40, but I'm just curious if the FK452 could possibly stretch more than my current ST115s or if I'm just wishing for something impossible.

If I went with 225/40s in the rear, wouldn't that look a bit odd with 215/35s in the front? I'd hate for you to flame me for it later on after you recommended it.
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Old April 13th, 2010, 06:10 PM   #6
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Nope, with that much of a stretch, it'll hardly make that much of a difference.

I had a 225/40/18 all around with my Advans didn't I? You could hardly tell. If anything, the fronts should have looked alot bulkier, but it wasn't that bad. I had it tucked a bit, so it didn't matter. Going by that, your 215/35 on the 9 will be similar to the 225/40 on the 10.




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Old April 13th, 2010, 08:17 PM   #7
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For kicks, here are a few pics I took of their current state:

Front 19x9s:





Rear 19x10s:









Haha I think that's actually the conservative side of the tires after seeing my pictures.
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Old April 13th, 2010, 08:30 PM   #8
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that just doesn't look safe
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Old April 13th, 2010, 08:34 PM   #9
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Umm...that's the main point of this thread: my current tires aren't stretching enough. They won't hold air (one will, one won't), the J-channels are still showing, and the one that will hold air can't be balanced because of its lacking of stretching. The only reason I left the tires on was in case I took them to the body shop to test-fit on the car for possible rear-quarter pulling or whatever's necessary beyond rolling to help accommodate them.

This setup in its current state won't see an inch of the road, don't worry.
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Old April 13th, 2010, 08:47 PM   #10
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haha well just my opinion .. I read everything, my only guess is the age of the rubber

but im not a fan/expert on stretched tires
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Old April 13th, 2010, 08:54 PM   #11
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Steve- any reason why a 235/35/19 wouldn't be ideal over the 225/40/19? I know the 235 can cause rubbing issues, but that's usually before the "stretched" state that it would be in on my 10s...
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hey brad. sometimes a tire has a super hard time beading up. I once stretched tires onto some wheels and it took me over 2 hours to get a single tire to bead up. 3 of em went on in 30 minutes but the last one was a real POS and it refused to bead up.

The thing with falkens is that they tend to be a very stiff tire. in particular that fk452 is a super headache when that tire wrinkles. the actual model you have is alot more forgiving

As wierd as it sounds sometimes we leave a tire sitting in the sun. that heats it up and makes it more flexible and increases the chance that air can be added. I dont think a cheetah will help to much in this case. but its hard to say without actually being there.

another trick people use is starting fluid which can help get a tire to bead up. just spray a little and throw a match. somewhat dangerous im sure but ****ed up situations call for ****ed up new ways on solving the problem.

when i stretched 215/35/19 onto 9.5" it gave me the nasty stretch you currently have in the rear. it did bead up but i felt uncomfortable so i went with 225 in a different brand and the problem was solved.
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tell ur shop to try to hook up the air nozzle directly from the compressor to the tire. thats another way to get a bead to pop on. a typical tire machine wont have anywhere near as much pressure
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Old April 13th, 2010, 09:31 PM   #14
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With your new wheel set up are you going to have to run spacers? In order to clear you BBK or is the off set and all that right.
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Old April 14th, 2010, 01:36 AM   #15
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35 series should be okay. if you wanna stretch go with falkens, they stretch real well :P
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35 series should be okay. if you wanna stretch go with falkens, they stretch real well :P
he does have Falken ST115s
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HRE's + stretch = lol
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Old April 14th, 2010, 08:24 AM   #18
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hey brad. sometimes a tire has a super hard time beading up. I once stretched tires onto some wheels and it took me over 2 hours to get a single tire to bead up. 3 of em went on in 30 minutes but the last one was a real POS and it refused to bead up.

The thing with falkens is that they tend to be a very stiff tire. in particular that fk452 is a super headache when that tire wrinkles. the actual model you have is alot more forgiving

As wierd as it sounds sometimes we leave a tire sitting in the sun. that heats it up and makes it more flexible and increases the chance that air can be added. I dont think a cheetah will help to much in this case. but its hard to say without actually being there.

another trick people use is starting fluid which can help get a tire to bead up. just spray a little and throw a match. somewhat dangerous im sure but ****ed up situations call for ****ed up new ways on solving the problem.

when i stretched 215/35/19 onto 9.5" it gave me the nasty stretch you currently have in the rear. it did bead up but i felt uncomfortable so i went with 225 in a different brand and the problem was solved.
Thanks man. We tried leaving them out in the hot sun all day before trying to mount them up later in the afternoon, the shops I took them to all said the tire was stretched as far as it's going to stretch...but I don't know. I wonder if heating up the wheels/tires in an oven (the kind used for powdercoating) would be worth trying. I need another another 1/2 inch (at the very least, since there's probably an inch) on both sides of the tires before the J-channels are filled.

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tell ur shop to try to hook up the air nozzle directly from the compressor to the tire. thats another way to get a bead to pop on. a typical tire machine wont have anywhere near as much pressure
I'm pretty sure we tried that too. Hell, we filled up the tire with over 90psi to try to pop the bead...no luck either. Every shop I spoke with tried to argue that the age of my st115s and them being used is completely irrelevant, along with 2 of them being on my previous 8.5s and 2 of them being on my previous 9s. Is it a coincidence then that one rear tire is holding air and the other isn't even close? I can't help but think that theoretically the tires that were on the 8.5s would conform tighter to that wheel than the tires that were on the 9s, making the 9s better candidates for mounting on the 10s as they were used to a little bit more stretch. Problem is, I didn't mark which tires were which so it was a crapshoot on picking the tires. Hmm...

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With your new wheel set up are you going to have to run spacers? In order to clear you BBK or is the off set and all that right.
I should have no problems with BBKs with this setup, the front is 1mm closer to the caliper and the rear is exactly the same from my previous setup. In fact, I should have enough clearance that I could get bigger BBKs if Santa ever decided to drop off a set of KSport 14/15/16" BBKs.

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he does have Falken ST115s
Yeah, what Roger said.



Steeeeeeeeeeeve...you haven't chimed in about the 235/35/19s. Looking on Falken's website, the 225/40/19s are an inch taller (before stretch) than their 225/35/19s, while the 235/35/19s are about .2 inches taller.

In a perfect world, I would order Falken FK452s in 225/35/19, 225/40/19, and 235/35/19 and see which one fits the best. Problem is their return policy is void once the tires are mounted (although JT/Blackhawk) seems to get around that quite often.
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Old April 14th, 2010, 09:52 AM   #19
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I think you'd be good to go with 235s, but you'd do a little bit more pulling than I had with the Advans, and a bit more bumper mod. I don't see no reason why the 235's wouldn't work. Or the 225/40s, but meh.. after seeing the pictures.. since you have like rubberband tires on the front, might as well go with the 235/35..

I mean, my sh!t looked just as "bad" (in terms of how the tires are stretched on to the tire), but I had no problems. I guess the 225/35 is just way too thin for the 19s.


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In that last picture you posted, where the lip protector is at doesn't look much different than mine, but underneath that your bead stretched all the way to the lip. On my tire there's easily an inch of gap on both sides.

Thanks, it seems like the 235/35/19s would be the safest choice (as far as spending $300-400 on a pair of tires that will definitely work) as long as they don't interfere with the struts. I'd pull my hair out if I ordered a pair of 225/35s or 225/40s and I still had problem mounting/balancing the setup. Pulling and whatever else needs to be done will just have to get done, bottom line. lol
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Gotta love cheaper tires for their flexibility...
but i think a 225/40 would be good, i have a 215/40 on my 9.5 and it was no trouble for the mounter (seasoned stretcher), one cheetah blast, then he just air it up on the machine and it popped right on...
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people gotta realize that the stretch on 19s are a bit harder to do than 18s. you'll have no problem fitting 215 on 18x9.5 because you're using 40 series, compare to 19s using 35 series. There is so little play for 35 series to stretch, but it can be done.

my tire guy had no problem stretching my 225/35/19 on 9.5. I know Brad's set-up is 10", but i'm sure it'll work with a lil effort.
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Lol well 9.5 and 10 doesn't seem like a lot but that is 10 +/- 3 mm more, which could make it or break it. The type of tires would also be a problem. I know 19s are more difficult roger.. you take me for a fooooool? still not sure bout the bbq.. loool.
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Well I just ordered a pair of Falken FK452s in 235/35/19. Unless they end up looking like they haven't stretched at all on the 10s, they should be alright...nothing a little bodywork can't fix. lol
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lol its not an exact science. sometimes a setup WILL give u hell in getting it to bead up. I know time is money for the shops and its gonna piss em off UNLESS they like you or your a good customer. Alot of em will give up and tell u to go elsewhere since no one wants to pay for an hour or two of labor to mount a SINGLE tire. i think the 235/35/19 will look much better anyways. and u can always sell the 2 used falkens for decent money and use that towards some of the new fund.

If u were in cali id try to mount it for u
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hahah i just read ur last response and u got 235s! good job. i think it will look sick. it will stretch much better and give u a better balance
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Good luck with the wheels brad, cant wait to see the outcome!
We all know that dealing with cars...especially custom stuff...you ALWAYS run into headaches. But its gonna be worth it
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lol its not an exact science. sometimes a setup WILL give u hell in getting it to bead up. I know time is money for the shops and its gonna piss em off UNLESS they like you or your a good customer. Alot of em will give up and tell u to go elsewhere since no one wants to pay for an hour or two of labor to mount a SINGLE tire. i think the 235/35/19 will look much better anyways. and u can always sell the 2 used falkens for decent money and use that towards some of the new fund.

If u were in cali id try to mount it for u
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hahah i just read ur last response and u got 235s! good job. i think it will look sick. it will stretch much better and give u a better balance
Thanks bro, if I was in Cali I'd love to have taken them to you. We would have made the setup work. lol

The 235/35s shouldn't be a problem at all as far as mounting/balancing goes, I just have to assess how much needs to be done once they're fitted on the car and I can get the car down to its natural driving level. I'm just glad the car isn't painted at this point for just this reason.

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Good luck with the wheels brad, cant wait to see the outcome!
We all know that dealing with cars...especially custom stuff...you ALWAYS run into headaches. But its gonna be worth it
Thanks, I can't wait to see your new setup too.
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Either the sidewalls on the falkens are too hard and not soft like previous models (FK452) or just the tire is just a tad bit too small.. You have to remember that Falkens run like a size smaller than your average tire.
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