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Old November 10th, 2010, 05:24 PM   #1
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Acura RL BBK Upgrade

So after seeing several CLs, 2G TLs, 3G TLs, and a couple 7G Accords do this swap, I've finally decided to do it. has anyone done it on a 6gen? I'll document my progress as best as i can.

one thing to note: Im doing this whole project along side my friend with a 3rd gen TL so you may see double the amount of parts in some of the pics. we're doing the swap with the exact same parts for both cars and the install will be at the same time too. only difference is he is not going to use SS brake lines, i am.

Parts i'm using:
  • 12.8" 2005 350Z (Brembo version) Rotors... (i'm using PowerSlot Rotors)
  • 2006 Acura RL 4 Piston Calipers
  • Caliper rebuild kits (im powdercoating the calipers so the seals and everything have to come out, so its best to replace them with new parts)
  • EBC Red Stuff Brake Pads for 2006 Acura RL Calipers
  • ATE Super Blue DOT4 Brake Fluid
  • Fastline Stainless Steel Brakes lines from a 99-03 TL (i won these in a raffle at AcuraFest, winning these things is what jump started this project, only cost me $5 in tickets )
  • Custom made bracket to fit the RL Caliper on the Accord made by NVA-AV6

Calipers taken apart, pistons and seals removed, ready for parts washer (these are my friends calipers, mine were already clean)...


After coming out of the parts washer, as clean as they're going to get before media blasting at the powder coaters...


My friends caliper bolts before...


His bolts after i attacked them with a wire wheel to remove corrosion and rust, media blasting should take care of the rest.


*I will not be using the same bolts because the previous owner of mine had the calipers rebuilt and his mechanic stripped the head on one of the bolts, so after going through hell removing it, i looked for a replacement and NOBODY ANYWHERE sells a replacement like it so i had to replace them all with Class 12.9 Hex head bolts and some Stainless Steel washers.

These are the pins that hold the shield in place at the top of the caliper after inserting brade pads, not sure what the technical name of the shield is but whatever, before and after the wire wheel...


Now onto MY Calipers...
Being as im putting these on my HONDA, i didnt want the ACURA logo so i decided to grind it off but before i did, i needed to find a suitable replacement font to get a decal made. I really dont like the OG Honda font with all those wierd block as the ends of the letters so i threw that font out the door right away. I do however like the font used on the ACURA logo but i searched and searched and searched online and couldnt find the damn thing, all i found was the NSX logo which is slightly different and too short and too wide. being the perfectionist that i am, that wasnt going to cut it for me.

so being how i am, in my head the decision was already made and set in stone, somehow get the ACURA font and write out HONDA. and since i came up empty handed i got reaalllllly creative. i busted out my OG photoshop skills and manually turned ACURA into HONDA like so....

H= take the upright column of the R, duplicate it and space them apart, and add a cross beam to make the H.
O= take the C (or U), duplicate it, flip the copy horizontally and attached the two Cs together to make the O
N= take the upright column of the R, duplicate it and space them apart, then take a 3rd column, extend it and connect the opposing corners to make my N.
D= take the C and the upright of the R, put them together and flip it horizontally to make the D.
A= i used the same A.

BINGO!!!!!

then i made the font a little bolder till i was happy with it...


with the logo taken care of, i moved onto the physical work of removing the ACURA logo...

It's as smooth as its gonna get, the powdercoat will hide any minor flaws.

Here are both his and my pistons, pins, and shield after being cleaned...


thats its for now.

everything has been ordered for both cars so im just waiting on delivery. then i'll have to get them powdercoated. I'm thinking of color matching them to my Hyper Silver wheels and using gloss black on the bolt heads and HONDA decal.




oh and to answer the question im sure many of you will have... Why not just buy an aftermarket kit?
1. not looking to spend a grand or more for a legit bbk.
2. the entry level 4 piston wilwood kit makes all sorts of squeals and whatnot according to several people i've spoken with.
3. replacement rotors and pads are STUPID expensive on the wilwood kit. im using almost all OEM parts so replacements are "cheap."
4. OEM Calipers > Low-end Aftermarket.
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Old November 10th, 2010, 06:30 PM   #2
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Nice, what did u use to take off the Acura logo off?
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a grinder. the acura logo is raised up so i just used a grinder and carefully took it down till it was all the same level.
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Great, Ive been thinking of doing this also..I'll be sure to check back and see how the progress goes.

When you say youre using Powerslot rotors, do you mean you are using the oversized rotors made for Accords, or o.e. replacements for a 350z?
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Old November 10th, 2010, 08:03 PM   #5
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ATE Super Blue brake fluid (~1.5L or less for each car) and EBC Red Stuff brake pads...
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Great, Ive been thinking of doing this also..I'll be sure to check back and see how the progress goes.

When you say youre using Powerslot rotors, do you mean you are using the oversized rotors made for Accords, or o.e. replacements for a 350z?
they're OEM size aftermarket replacements for the 350Z. there are 2 versions of the 350z though, 1st one is the version with standard looking brake and a 12.6" rotor (DO NOT USE THIS ONE) then there is the one we need, the version that comes stock with Brembo brake and a 12.8" rotor. technically you can use an even bigger aftermarket rotor made for the brembo version of the 350z, all you'd need to do is add washers and longer studs to NVA-AV6's bracket to relocate the caliper farther out. so if you wanted to use a crazy 14" rotor or something like that, its possible depending on wheel size and money of course.





and in case anyone's wondering... build cost...

this setup will cost a little more than the entry level 4 piston wilwood kit but much less than any other higher end bbk.

keep in mind i utilized as many coupons/promotions i could find so the typical price for these things might be higher without those coupons and promotoions.

  • Powerslot 350Z Rotors + 2 Caliper rebuild kits from Rockauto.com with 5% off promotion code (42224893475817): $206.41 shipped
  • EBC RedStuff Brake Pads for the RL Calipers with 10% off code (EBC10) from placeforbrakes.com : $84.96 shipped
  • ATE Super Blue Brake fluid (2 1L cans, should be able to get by with just 1 can but im being safe) from Amazon.com: $30.28 shipped (2 1L cans)
  • Stainless Steel Brake lines: ~$90-$110 depending on brand and store (i won mine in a raffle so i didnt have to pay for this)
  • Custom bracket to make the calipers fit the accord by NVA-AV6 from V6P: $135 shipped
  • Acura RL Calipers: i paid $350 (but can be found at junk yards etc for anywhere between $200-$400)


MY personal total build cost including the "free" brake lines: $806.65

Typical cost assuming you buy all parts with coupons or promotion like me: $746.65-$966.65

it all depends how much you get the calipers for and how many good deals you find on parts.
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Do you know what kind of clearing is needed for the calipers?

Regarding the rotor, do you think it would be possible to use the 12.9 Powerslot rotors for Accords? Or is there something like the "offset" of the rotor that won't work?
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Nice write up.
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Anyway you could measure the part of the caliper thats on the outside of the rotor? So I could get an idea of what sort of spacing is needed between the wheel and rotor to clear the caliper...
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Do you know what kind of clearing is needed for the calipers?

Regarding the rotor, do you think it would be possible to use the 12.9 Powerslot rotors for Accords? Or is there something like the "offset" of the rotor that won't work?
you'll have to ask Paul (NVA-AV6). i have no idea. i imagine it should work its just that you'll need special brackets made. for the bracket i ordered, i didnt have to send paul anything for measurement since he's already got the measurement needed to make the bracket but if you plan on using a different rotor, you'll have to check with him.

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Anyway you could measure the part of the caliper thats on the outside of the rotor? So I could get an idea of what sort of spacing is needed between the wheel and rotor to clear the caliper...
i'll get measurement for you once i install the stuff. right now it all depends on when my powdercoating gets done.
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140-7014 FDL Kit,12.19" Plain rotor $545
Sub optional GT rotors $100
Sub optional DP6 calipers-black $210

This kit is $855, with SS lines... 2PC Rotors too.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2691/...ebf6424f_b.jpg

I assumed that since you needed to fabricate brackets, rebuild and powder coat the calipers, and piece the kit together, it would have been cheap. Its cool to have 'custom' parts and all, but wouldn't the more beaten path be a better idea? Its cheaper, and bolts right in.

Regardless, im in for a detailed write up.
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looking great...cant wait for the completed pics
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140-7014 FDL Kit,12.19" Plain rotor $545
Sub optional GT rotors $100
Sub optional DP6 calipers-black $210

This kit is $855, with SS lines... 2PC Rotors too.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2691/...ebf6424f_b.jpg

I assumed that since you needed to fabricate brackets, rebuild and powder coat the calipers, and piece the kit together, it would have been cheap. Its cool to have 'custom' parts and all, but wouldn't the more beaten path be a better idea? Its cheaper, and bolts right in.

Regardless, im in for a detailed write up.

that looks like an RSX kit.
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Yup. Bolts up to 6GA hubs. asushi is running the 4-piston dynalite RSX setup right now with no issues and no squeaking.

http://www.6thgenaccord.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=33097
^DC5 brembo on 6GA.

I like what you're doing with this though, the rotors are a bit bigger than the 6-piston Wilwood kit above (Wilwood is 12.2" diameter vs. 12.8" on your 350Z rotors), but not 2-piece, so there are tradeoffs here. I had explored this route before, but seeing as I didn't have access to custom brackets, my search landed me with the 6-piston 12.2" kit. Wilwood's rotors for their 2-piece setups are reasonably priced and reduce unsprung weight and also let me use brake ducts for cooling.
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where was this info last month!? haha. owell, im still happy to be doing the RL calipers.

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where was this info last month!? haha. owell, im still happy to be doing the RL calipers.
I've had these in my build thread for like 6 months now.
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i guess i dont pay close enough attention

i have to admit it'd be pretty sweet having 6 piston calipers but i think upgrading from 1 piston caliper and 11.1" rotor to 4 piston 12.8" will be a big enough change for me, lol.
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rotors and rebuild kits came in today.

the face of the caliper sticks out less than 2.5 inches from the surface of the rotor when the caliper are loaded with the pistons and pads in place.


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Ah, so the rotors are a touch larger... Id assume very cheap as well, being a OEM part.
However, you don't really need new rotors very often.

Id imagine the braking power on this kit would be comparable to the Wilwood 6 pot. Regardless, its way better than most cars on the road, which is probably the most important part.
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damn, im having one hell of a time finding the right silver powder coat for the calipers. soooooo hard to match hyper silver. in some angles i need gunmetal, others i need chrome. wtf.

i may end up having to get a silver that doesnt bling like my hyper silver does.
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i decided im gonna try for a little more bling and pop than color matching my rims.

im gonna try to polish them by hand. im gonna start with just the area where the logo will be just to see how itll come out and if i like it, then i'll do the whole thing. worst case, i'll get them powdercoated anyways so it doesnt hurt much to attempt to polish first.

was able to get pretty decent results so far with 100 and then 180 grit. did each grit in a dry and then wet pass like so..

100 dry
100 wet
180 dry
180 wet etc...

next up is 220, then 400 then 600, 1000, 1500, 2000, compound, polish polish polish...

so much work ahead. i'll post pics after im done with this ONE surface on this ONE caliper.
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Build is going sweet! I wanted to do this exact build with new Acura 4-pots and my friends slightly used 350Z rotors after he did a BBK, EBC greenstuff and SS lines. Went with Legend 2-pots (cheaper) and still using OEM rotors for now, but man what a diff one extra piston can provide. I'm sure your gonna have fun with 4-pots and Bigger rotors, guaranteed.lol.
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If you can polish them well, and possibly get them anodized... That would be nice.

And technically the anodized surface will dissipate heat noticeably better as well...
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i got a little anxious to see the outcome so i stopped after 1000grit wetsand and i did 1 quick pass of rubbing compound and 2 passes of mag & aluminum polish by hand and came out with this...

flash:


no flash:


i think if i continue with the 1500 and 2000 grit sanding and switch up to a dremel buffing wheel, i could make these things really pop. im only going to spend all this effort on the front half of the caliper though since nobody's going to see the back half; i'll just sand it smooth to the point of brushed aluminum look and then have both halves powdercoated clear to protect them.
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I'm digging the brushed aluminum . Can't wait for the end product. GL.
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cant wait to see this mod finished, im looking to do this mod as well
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been slackin hardcore with this so i got back on it today. decided against the full polished look because i didnt like it. too many damn reflections. and all the minor imperfections were clearly visible. so i did silver caliper paint for the main body of the caliper, and full polish on "the band" the custom HONDA logo will be painted on after i get a stencil made, then the whole thing clear coated. i hope to install them within 2 weeks. i need to leave them off the car after the clear coat for a while so they fully cure. might even bake them in the oven to speed up the process.

my OEM rear calipers will be sanded smooth and painted the same silver.

last pics until they're completely done and on the car.



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