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Old April 9th, 2011, 03:17 PM   #1
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"Endless" Zeal spring weight/rate question

So since lowering my ride "again", I feel that I need either an overhaul of my Zeal Function-B6 coilovers or at least get some new springs for them.

Haven't called Endless USA yet to see how much an overhaul would be but at the very least, I am looking into new springs.

Just by looking at the replacement springs made by Xcoils:

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There's an option of the Xcoil-R ($135 EACH!!!) and regular X-coils ($90 EACH!).

Looks like the spring weight/rate is between 4-24 kgf/mm.

What do you guys think would be a reasonable spring weight/rate to get?

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Old April 9th, 2011, 06:24 PM   #2
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what are your rates for them now? thats probably the best place to start to decide what you want.

i think ideally you should get the shocks re-valved to compensate for the different spring rates also.
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Old April 9th, 2011, 06:58 PM   #3
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Yeh you are probably right.

I have to call them on Monday to see what they came with originally.

I doubt I'll be willing to pay their price for overhauling them. Might consider going with springs with higher spring rate.

Am I accurate to assume that, just like the dampers/struts, the springs get "softer" with the more miles you have on them?
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Old April 9th, 2011, 07:35 PM   #4
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If you have a quality spring it won't really get lower in spring rate over time, but with a cheaper spring it's definitely a possibility. If you go more than 2kg/mm higher on each corner you'll have to have them revalved I'm willing to bet. Just call them up and see how much it will cost to have them revamped, or if you'll only need new springs. I believe I've seen on their site that they advise overhauling their dampers every couple of years.

From what I've seen those X-coils look pretty sweet, but a better option may be Swift or Hypercoil. I've never heard of X-coil springs outside of Endless Zeal coilovers.

What spring rates do you have now? Did you buy the coilovers new?

Also, just a side note, those coilovers are freaking badass haha. I only knew of one person who put them on an Accord until now, and I saw one set go up for sale on V6P. So props for running some legit shiet!



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Old April 9th, 2011, 08:31 PM   #5
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Thanks Kev, what suspension setup you running again?

Yeh I've never heard of X-coil until I went on the endless site. It sounded like a knock off brand... lol.

I bought them used a few years ago. So they are definitely due for an overhaul. Since the MSRP for these use to be $2400, hopefully the overhaul won't be $1000+. On top for that, there's the price of the springs if I decide to go stiffer.

I'll report back once I've talked to them...
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Old April 9th, 2011, 10:28 PM   #6
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I'm on AMRs. Post up your findings.



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Old April 9th, 2011, 10:34 PM   #7
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How do you like them?

Any idea on the spring rate on them?
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Old April 9th, 2011, 10:39 PM   #8
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My AMRs are nice. They are pretty high quality and have decent adjustment. I'm running 14k front springs and 12k rear springs. They're pretty comfortable for the high rates.

I'm guessing yours are 10k/7k but I'll have to check Endless' site.

Edit: On Evasive they have the spring rates listed at either 12k/8k and 14k/10k.



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Old April 12th, 2011, 07:30 PM   #9
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So here's the info:

- 2 weeks turn around time.
- Disassemble is $100 per corner (replacement part will be extra)
- I have to pay for shipping both ways.
- Revalve is $30 per corner.

Here's the kicker:

Once they take them apart, IF I can't or don't pay for the parts that they suggests (rod, seals, boot, etc), they are not going to put them back together for liability reasons.

So if they say all my rods are scratched, then I'd have to pay $125 x 4 on top of the $400 to for the "overhaul".
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Old April 12th, 2011, 08:30 PM   #10
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Wow! Ask if they have any authorized Endless Zeal dealers that are capable of rebuilding the shocks. That's stupid pricing/conditions.



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Old April 12th, 2011, 09:34 PM   #11
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They do have one locally, but the dealers just sells them.

I don't want to say anything bad about Endless USA. They were very professional in explaining the procedure to me, but maybe it's just a "you gotta pay to play" approach...

Either way, I am gonna take them off and give it a inspection myself.

If there aren't any major scratches on the rods, then maybe I'll just send them over to them to inspect them.

They told me they can give it an visual inspection and will have a decent idea of what I "might" have to replace. But definitely a big emphasis on "might". As long as they don't take it apart, they can always just put it back in the box the way they came and ship them back at my cost.

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My spring weight is 12kg in the FF and 8kg in the RR
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Old April 12th, 2011, 10:16 PM   #12
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Oh I mean for sure they make a great product and you're fortunate to run them. The subjectiveness o the rebuild though seems a little sketch haha.

I would love a set of their coilovers though. They're seriously badass. My buddy that used to work for JIC said the only company that his technicians thought made a better product was Endless.



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Update:

So, they arrived their facility on Thursday and gave me a call to let me know.

The turn around time was suppose to be up to 2 weeks.

From the visual inspection, they told me they looked pretty good and seems to be a general overhaul which is $100/corner. (thank goodness the shafts were not scratched!)

Got an email on the very next day telling me that the oil was really dirty and the seals were almost all gone, lol.

Good news was that they were already in the mail and on the way back! Also there were no extra charges for anything since the seals/boot/oil/etc were all included in the $100/corner overhaul fee.

So all in all, they were very efficient and provided great customer service.

I am excited to get them back and feel the difference!!!

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Old May 5th, 2011, 07:48 PM   #14
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So I cleaned them up with a tooth brush before I sent them off:



Got them back with all the wear and tear parts replaced:



Replaced internals and dust boots. They even sent me back all the seals, O-rings, and boots they replaced.



Endless told me that the piston seals were pretty much worn down all the way and the oil was really dirty.

They didn't charge me any extra of any additional parts.

Everything was well packaged and shipped back!!

Overall a very satisfying experience
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Old May 5th, 2011, 08:24 PM   #15
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Wow I'm surprised your shocks are that long! Those are sexy as hell though.



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