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Old May 17th, 2009, 10:25 PM  
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Cool Willwood BBK help!!!!!!

Hey guys!

I read through the willwood bbk install posted for days and didnt have the guts to go through with it so I ended up paying for the install but ran into some bad luck.

The installer screwed me over. well, heres some background info: i needed spacers for my stock rims to fit and on the threads they said to measure from the rotors to the protusion so i did that along with the template from willwood that was posted and ended up gettin H&R 15mm spacers...which was more than i needed (i only needed 12mm)

so i gave the installer the spacers and the whole BBK kit to install, however, he said he had to put the spacers BEHIND the rotor for the caliper to fit...thats the first time me or any of my boys heard of this...but who knows we dont know much about cars...
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Old May 17th, 2009, 10:31 PM  
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so then he said go get another set of spacers but i couldnt get it in time so he put some thick a$$ nuts and used them as spacers and threw on my rims and as soon as i drove off my wheel flew off!!

I ended up towing my car to another tire shop and he said the install looked okay but i just needed new rims...so i ended up getting new rims (SUCKS!!) they werent great rims but they did fit the brakes but the tires stick out from the wheel well...it doesnt look good at all and it still looks like theres only 1mm of clearance from the caliper to the wheel...the rims look like really bad knock offs of the gram lights 57

so i wanted to know how you guys are getting your install to look so good with simple rims...and is it possible he used the spacers behind the rotors instead of the relocation brackets to cut corners?...we tried to see what was going on behind there but couldnt really see much and we dont know what to look for

sorry bout the double post...i pressed submit instead of preview

thanks for the help guys...
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the installer is a ****!!! u dont put spacers behind the rotors. u put spacers between the rotors and rims and get extended studs! if u got H&R they sell it as a kit with the extended studs...
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Old May 18th, 2009, 06:28 AM  
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Holy **** your wheel flew off?! That's ****ing dangerous. Call the shop that installed it and demand your money back at the very least. You could have been killed!
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Old May 18th, 2009, 06:37 AM  
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Sue the S*** out of the shop. You will end up getting the rims you want with the money you get
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Old May 18th, 2009, 07:01 AM  
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yea i talked to a lawyer and he said it might not be worth sueing for since the install was only 250 bucks fighting for that might not be a problem but then trying to get the lawyer fees paid for too...well we didnt talk to the lawyer directly thats what one of the associates said...

yea i bought him those exact spacers...but i cant seem to find out what he did with it?! its stressin me out...

from the picture it looks like the H&Rs come with extended lug nuts so im guesing he just used one of those spacers and threw it on the back...and then mounted everything on...cuz the brake calipers look way to far out...

im gonna try getting some pictures for you guys to see..
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Old May 18th, 2009, 07:14 AM  
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...thats the first time me or any of my boys heard of this...but who knows we dont know much about cars...
Why would you put on a BBK if you know that little about cars?

Be very careful with the BBK's, I've learned they require a lot of playing with and maintanance to work properly (and for a while.) There is a BIG difference between them and just adding drilled rotors/EBC pads.

The pistons don't have dust/dirt seals (assuming you have the 4 pots on the normal Wilwood kits) so every time you change pads you should very seriously consider rebuilding the calipers and changing the fluid, especially if you live in an area with crummy weather (then you should really consider doing it yearly.)

Its pretty cheap ($80-$90 for 2 calipers with new pistons) and simple to do yourself, but not many shops do it, and it would be more $$$, more time without your car.
If you had to pay to have the calipers removed, pay the $80 for the kit, then pay the shop to do it, it would get tiring REAL quick...

I know that doesn't help you much, but maybe it gives you the extra push to study the instructions a but more and do it yourself so that you know what your up against when the time comes.
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Old May 18th, 2009, 07:16 AM  
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these were the spacers i bought...from the same store too

http://www.optionimports.com/3065640-78.html

can anyone from NYC or westchester NY recommend a shop i can goto to fix this? cuz the installer swore he put the spacers on in the back and it doesnt look like he used extended lug nuts...

thanks for the input!!
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yea i talked to a lawyer and he said it might not be worth sueing for since the install was only 250 bucks fighting for that might not be a problem but then trying to get the lawyer fees paid for too...well we didnt talk to the lawyer directly thats what one of the associates said...

yea i bought him those exact spacers...but i cant seem to find out what he did with it?! its stressin me out...

from the picture it looks like the H&Rs come with extended lug nuts so im guesing he just used one of those spacers and threw it on the back...and then mounted everything on...cuz the brake calipers look way to far out...

im gonna try getting some pictures for you guys to see..

Oh, I forgot, that small of clearance between the wheels and caliper should be OK on a decent wheel. A REALLY crappy one mayflex, and it could possibly flex into the caliper, but a lot of guys run really tight clearances. I had about a nickels worth of clearance on my kit, and I've seen the 350Z guys run as close as a dime's clearance.

But find out about those spacers... If installed properly they are a fine solution to let you use your old wheels.
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Old May 18th, 2009, 07:24 AM  
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yea i know i really shouldve asked around for more info, but i needed new brakes and everyone on here seemed to be doing just fine with this bbk so i thought i would try it out...modding is def addicting ...

alright so the new wheels should be good but the wheels are pushed way to far out while the back tires are somewhat flush..
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Oh, I forgot, that small of clearance between the wheels and caliper should be OK on a decent wheel. A REALLY crappy one mayflex, and it could possibly flex into the caliper, but a lot of guys run really tight clearances. I had about a nickels worth of clearance on my kit, and I've seen the 350Z guys run as close as a dime's clearance.

But find out about those spacers... If installed properly they are a fine solution to let you use your old wheels.
I normally like to see 6mm (1/4") min clearence.
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Wow! I am speechless Please post some pics when you can.
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I normally like to see 6mm (1/4") min clearence.
Thats probably a pretty safe (conservative) rule of thumb.

Here is a NSX kit fitted by StopTech and this was about their absolute minimum clearance to still be considered 'safe'.

I wish I had a picture showing mine, but it was pretty close to this.

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Old May 18th, 2009, 09:01 PM  
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here are some pics...are there any NY ppl that know any good brake shops that can check this setup out for me? it also squeals when the car is rolling but not on acceleration or braking..it usually happens when im cruising at very low speeds or like when i slowly pull into my drive way..

here are the pics...it looks okay but it looks like there would be no way my old wheels would work and if they did it prolly would stick out wayyy too much

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hit up comptechv6 and ask him for a shop in nyc
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Old May 19th, 2009, 03:06 PM  
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hey guy i had the same kit on my old accord so i can help you out...if you want you can bring me the car to check out..am in the bronx by city island...let me know...
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Don't let retards touch your car, find a good mechanic. The wheels don't look that bad.
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Old May 19th, 2009, 03:27 PM  
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well guy i worked in a speed shop as an installer for 5 years before i moved to ny...i was just trying to help him out so he would spend anymore money or get ****ed again....1greek4u
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well guy i worked in a speed shop as an installer for 5 years before i moved to ny...i was just trying to help him out so he would spend anymore money or get ****ed again....1greek4u
I don't think the guy above you meant the retard thing at you (at least I hope so!) - I think he meant the OP's original mechanics.

Very nice offer, to you!
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Thats probably a pretty safe (conservative) rule of thumb.

Here is a NSX kit fitted by StopTech and this was about their absolute minimum clearance to still be considered 'safe'.

I wish I had a picture showing mine, but it was pretty close to this.

That looks about 3mm, one good flex and it would not be pretty, I have seen better quality rims flex that far under extream conditions like autocrossing......
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