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Old September 12th, 2009, 11:08 PM   #1
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Question Did they fix CM stage 3??

just bought one, i'm lookin for anybody with recent experience on whether or not i need special mods... I know Doc had major issues a couple years back.... Does anyone know for sure if this kit works as is?? mahalo nui
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Old September 15th, 2009, 01:21 PM   #2
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It should work yeah that's what I've read but then again what do I know =p
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Old September 15th, 2009, 05:49 PM   #3
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that's a great question
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Old September 16th, 2009, 04:49 PM   #4
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i was looking into getting my clutch changed out as well since i was boosted at one point.

but from what i read, the clutchmaster fx300 (stage 3) clutch kit does work. pressure plate and clutch will work fine but it's your flywheel that becomes an issue. if you order their lightened flywheel then you're good to go....but if you decide to reuse your stock flywheel, you will have to send it back to clutchmaster so they can notch out a teeth so it will work with their kit.

somebody correct me if i'm wrong...

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i was looking into getting my clutch changed out as well since i was boosted at one point.

but from what i read, the clutchmaster fx300 (stage 3) clutch kit does work. pressure plate and clutch will work fine but it's your flywheel that becomes an issue. if you order their lightened flywheel then you're good to go....but if you decide to reuse your stock flywheel, you will have to send it back to clutchmaster so they can notch out a teeth so it will work with their kit.

somebody correct me if i'm wrong...
Correction: To make sure you have no issues at all, Send them your OEM flywheel or find another used one so they can install the ring gear from your OEM flywheel onto their lightweight flywheel. Half the guys on the acura side were unhappy with the starter/flywheel grinding issues because the number of teeth that were already on the lightweight flywheel compared to the OEM flywheel was off by one tooth.

Better safe than sorry.


Other than that, the cheaper alternative is using the OEM Pressure Plate and flywheel with P2R's high performance friction disc/wheel for the Acura CL-S/TL. So far, on their J32 powered hatch, it's been putting down 500+whp and been holding up good for a long time now. I went to see it in person not long ago. I'll be trying this setup on my car to confirm its validity

Other than that, you have SPEC's Stage 3+ and 4 setups that run between $699 to $899; and with those you can use your OEM flywheel as well.

If you think about it:

OEM Pressure Plate + P2R Disc + Flywheel = $401 before taxes/shipping
SPEC Stage 4 Clutch kit = $699 before shipping
.... Clutchmasters, any kit after stage one = $1,500 before shipping .... seriously.

If you want, Let me know, I'll go ahead and post pics/info once purchase my setup in the next two weeks.

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Old September 19th, 2009, 10:40 AM   #6
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Correction: To make sure you have no issues at all, Send them your OEM flywheel or find another used one so they can install the ring gear from your OEM flywheel onto their lightweight flywheel. Half the guys on the acura side were unhappy with the starter/flywheel grinding issues because the number of teeth that were already on the lightweight flywheel compared to the OEM flywheel was off by one tooth.

Better safe than sorry.


Other than that, the cheaper alternative is using the OEM Pressure Plate and flywheel with P2R's high performance friction disc/wheel for the Acura CL-S/TL. So far, on their J32 powered hatch, it's been putting down 500+whp and been holding up good for a long time now. I went to see it in person not long ago. I'll be trying this setup on my car to confirm its validity

Other than that, you have SPEC's Stage 3+ and 4 setups that run between $699 to $899; and with those you can use your OEM flywheel as well.

If you think about it:

OEM Pressure Plate + P2R Disc + Flywheel = $401 before taxes/shipping
SPEC Stage 4 Clutch kit = $699 before shipping
.... Clutchmasters, any kit after stage one = $1,500 before shipping .... seriously.

If you want, Let me know, I'll go ahead and post pics/info once purchase my setup in the next two weeks.
hey, this guy does his searching very well

however, there is a 4th option. Clutchmaster stage 1,2,3,4, WITHOUT the lighten flywheel. only thing is you have to send them your flywheel to have notched in a triangle to accommodate there PP. this was actually my first kit and worked well. cost me only 600 bucks
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hey, this guy does his searching very well

however, there is a 4th option. Clutchmaster stage 1,2,3,4, WITHOUT the lighten flywheel. only thing is you have to send them your flywheel to have notched in a triangle to accommodate there PP. this was actually my first kit and worked well. cost me only 600 bucks
how well did the stock flywheel work for you then? was there a big difference when u switched to the aluminum wheel?
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Old September 19th, 2009, 01:19 PM   #8
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hey, this guy does his searching very well

however, there is a 4th option. Clutchmaster stage 1,2,3,4, WITHOUT the lighten flywheel. only thing is you have to send them your flywheel to have notched in a triangle to accommodate there PP. this was actually my first kit and worked well. cost me only 600 bucks
So If I wanted to upgrade to a stage 3 clutchmaster clutch without the light weight flywheel it would only cost me 600 + install cost? Thats all I need?
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Anyone know about the CM stage 2? same flywheel problem? what about the feel of it compared to 3
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Old September 21st, 2009, 02:14 AM   #10
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how well did the stock flywheel work for you then? was there a big difference when u switched to the aluminum wheel?
well you gotta figure the CM flywheel weighs approx 22lbs or so lighter than the oem one, so ya i definetly felt the difference kai it really helped out the low end and revs much faster now. its really a nice mod if you can afford it.


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So If I wanted to upgrade to a stage 3 clutchmaster clutch without the light weight flywheel it would only cost me 600 + install cost? Thats all I need?
thats what i paid for it, but that was over 2 years ago. stage 3 is good, if you dont mind a bit of chatter when taking off, but you dont feel it if you give it a little more gas.

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Anyone know about the CM stage 2? same flywheel problem? what about the feel of it compared to 3
doesnt matter what stage you go with. if you opt for the LWFW, your going to get the same one stage 1 through 4. go back to CM with your new and old flywheel, so they can transfer the ring gear on to the new one. the PP and disc problem is solved already so no worries there. just be glad you found out about this now, than later. otherwise, you'd be paying for double the labor which isnt cheap depending on where you go. luckily my guy doesnt charge anywhere near what other shops charge for this type of work.
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on the ring gear issue? Have they found a new supplier yet? I know you were talking to Hose about it.
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Old September 21st, 2009, 02:52 AM   #12
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no deal

instead doing a little research himself to try and find a supplier that has the right size and teeth count, he now discloses that the kit will make a starter noise, unless you send in a stock ring gear to replace it with =/
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^Boo, that is weak sauce......
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thats what i paid for it, but that was over 2 years ago. stage 3 is good, if you dont mind a bit of chatter when taking off, but you dont feel it if you give it a little more gas.
Can clutchmasters resurface my stock flywheel? Now I have to send in both the stock flywheel to "have notched in a triangle to accommodate there PP" as well as the stock ring gear...correct?
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project import said they can install the stock ring gears on the new flywheel so i won't have to send it in. they're SMART
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project import said they can install the stock ring gears on the new flywheel so i won't have to send it in. they're SMART

hey man, what ever floats your boat. the only reason i said take it to CM for the work, cause the whole ring gear deal is their own fault and will do it FOR FREE. oh and you dont have to send it in since your local. you can simply drive there yourself and wait while they do it for you. only takes a half hour or so =/


lol, its not rocket science bro project imports and any other reputable shop would be more than capable of doing the job. you just need to grind off the welds, turn the LWFW to take away about a 1/4 inch of material so it can fit the stock ring gear (since the inside diameter is smaller than the CM one) and viola! job done.

just be glad i was here to warn people about this problem, otherwise you'd have to take it back out and fix this problem like everyone else that bought the kit,


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just be glad i was here to warn people about this problem, otherwise you'd have to take it back out and fix this problem like everyone else that bought the kit,


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are you being serious?

well, anyway... to me downtime is the most inconvenient part about these upgrades so i'd rather have PI do it for $50 than have to find a ride to CM and wait for them to do it.
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are you being serious?

well, anyway... to me downtime is the most inconvenient part about these upgrades so i'd rather have PI do it for $50 than have to find a ride to CM and wait for them to do it.
serious about what?

just giving you the heads up and try to save you a little money, but if you want to pay to have it done, then cool..

anyways, i already told you what the problem was in the other thread to check the ring gear to make sure its the right one or you might have to take it out again. then you asked what should i do then Stevo405 told you the exact same thing in more detail and still, you decide to open your own thread about it =/ and FYI, Doc didnt have the full kit, only PP and disc - FW.

so, fix the ring gear and you will be good you will love the kit
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no deal

instead doing a little research himself to try and find a supplier that has the right size and teeth count, he now discloses that the kit will make a starter noise, unless you send in a stock ring gear to replace it with =/
Fine ill go back to Aasco and check them out in person again this Friday

So the stock FW has 122 teeth and the AL FW has 123? Just need the refresher course so I can count the ones at the shop and tell them they're screwing up.
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^Reverss that, the ASSCO has 122(same as older mopar apps) and the stock is 123. Also the ASSCO one is 1/4" smaller in diameter than our stock one.
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^Reverss that, the ASSCO has 122(same as older mopar apps) and the stock is 123. Also the ASSCO one is 1/4" smaller in diameter than our stock one.
roger that.

ASSCO is the culprit here. talk to them nick and ask why is it so hard to get the right size gear on these damn flywheels =/
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Damn I'm ready for an upgrade with all this talk.
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^Reverss that, the ASSCO has 122(same as older mopar apps) and the stock is 123. Also the ASSCO one is 1/4" smaller in diameter than our stock one.
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roger that.

ASSCO is the culprit here. talk to them nick and ask why is it so hard to get the right size gear on these damn flywheels =/
Yeah will do, so Aasco has 122 and is 1/4" smaller, weird since they told me last time they had a stock unit on hand, he just couldn't find it at the time.
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