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Old November 25th, 2009, 04:18 PM   #1
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need some tips on performance...

hey guys I have a 2006 ex. I have done minor bolt ons like CAI and I have a custom 2.5 exhaust and a ground kit. I want to do a bit more though and not sure which direction to go (no turbo, supercharger or nitrous). I searched around a bit and have a few questions. (I dont know much about tuning and such so i hope some of you guys could add your 2 cents... Im open to suggestions).
1. is richies v2 j pipe the way to go or is there a better one?
2. is the vafc or the vafc 2 effective or even the buddy club controller, from what I found its not since you have to retune it all the time but has anyone seen gains from it?
3. I was thinking about getting a air/fuel ratio, I know wide band is better but if you cant tune it then is narrow band worth getting?
4. Is any one running any guage set ups beside a/f..like oil pressure and temp?

-thnks a lot guys!
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Old November 25th, 2009, 04:31 PM   #2
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richies is pretty good
vafc doesnt do anything....
no, useless unless ur turbo or sc
no point unless u like it for looks
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Old November 25th, 2009, 05:18 PM   #3
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1. Richie's pipe is good, there is a lot of discussion as to who's is better, Richie's, ATLP or Excelerate. No dyno evidence has been given so its very difficult to say one or the other. I just have Richie's jpipe V1 and I think its the best mod for the buck. It helps so much in the low-to-midrange where I think our car is really lacking power. I'd go for it, no need to tune with that mod.

VAFC2 needs to be retuned because our ECU will eventually "override" it and send it back to stock. If you're going to tune, use an AEM FIC. That seems to be the best option out there and it will fit your needs whether you are just I/jpipe/E/pulley or whether you decide to go FI down the road. You just need to make sure you get a guy that knows the J-series if you're going to tune. There don't seem to be a lot of j-series experts out there for whatever reason.

I don't know about #3 sorry
there are a few guys that run multiple gauges around here but I don't think its really necessary with your mod list, like youngmelons said it would probably be mostly for looks. Along those lines guys have also made custom pods for their gauges that make them look seamless and almost stock so I would look into that as well if you decide to go the gauge route.

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Old November 25th, 2009, 05:23 PM   #4
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, like youngmelons said...


I'm calling him that from now on.
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Old November 25th, 2009, 05:25 PM   #5
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I'm calling him that from now on.
lol call that a Freudian slip I guess
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Old November 25th, 2009, 08:24 PM   #6
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^ lol...

If you an A/T I would suggest a temp gauge for that, richies pre-cat deletes will net some power, also paul (NVA-AV6) is developing an intake spacer that should also gain some power..look here
http://www.v6performance.net/forums/...=197953&page=6
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Old November 25th, 2009, 08:35 PM   #7
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I'll try to help on #3.

A Narrowband A/F gauge will not give you an accurate reading. AEM Wideband UEGO works well.

If you are completely stock, an A/F is not really needed. However an A/F ratio gauge could be used when you do start adding mods, and should be used especially when Tuning those mods -- N/A or F/I.

It will let you know how the A/F ratio is doing with your mods and will let you know when something may be wrong with your A/F mixture.
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Old November 25th, 2009, 09:09 PM   #8
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If your and AT don't waste your money. Just work on looks.

If your a MT you can do Intake, j-pipe, precat delete, 3rd cat delete, exhaust system, and pulley.

If your still not satisfy as Paul to do a Head shave + TL-s Cams

After all those mods and you still not happen time to get a TL-S

P.S I love how that lip looks on your car.
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Old November 25th, 2009, 09:48 PM   #9
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lol call that a Freudian slip I guess
^^LMAO!!!!
ive seen him post before and thought it was youngmelons too, until he pointed it out


to the OP,

1. jpipe design makes a HUGE difference, trust me gone through 5-6 different ones myself. low-mid range should be the focus, not peak hp. cause peak, they wont differ much from rv6, atlp, xlr8. low end torque, is a different story. xlr8 with longer primaries is best and its designed exactly like atlp V1, BUT not slammed friendly and will get quickly destroyed. thats why atlp V2 redesigned owns and gives the best of both worlds. atlp FTW

2. mbr311 covered it, vafc is useless and waste of money. AEM FI/c only good if your FI, but cant advance timing which is beneficial for NA. you'll still gain if you lean out the a/f a bit, but not much especially for the $ to hp cost =/

3. no need for a/f gauge, unless your FI imo BUT if you insist, then wideband all the way. narrowband will give you nothing more than a pretty lightshow (maybe useful after a night of raving) but thats it.

4. again, gauges only good if your pushing some really good HP, where oil press, oil temp, etc,. are vital

you have a CAI and custom exhaust, thats a good start. look into a crank pulley, PCD's, jpipe, manifold spacer and there might be a couple of other things im missing. theres not much out there and in the end, FI is the only way your going to get serious power. GL
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Old November 26th, 2009, 12:06 AM   #10
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If your and AT don't waste your money. Just work on looks.

If your a MT you can do Intake, j-pipe, precat delete, 3rd cat delete, exhaust system, and pulley.

If your still not satisfy as Paul to do a Head shave + TL-s Cams

After all those mods and you still not happen time to get a TL-S

P.S I love how that lip looks on your car.
even tho im A/t doesnt mean I cant tune my car..i just dont get the same satisfaction from it as a manual would lol

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^^LMAO!!!!
ive seen him post before and thought it was youngmelons too, until he pointed it out


to the OP,

1. jpipe design makes a HUGE difference, trust me gone through 5-6 different ones myself. low-mid range should be the focus, not peak hp. cause peak, they wont differ much from rv6, atlp, xlr8. low end torque, is a different story. xlr8 with longer primaries is best and its designed exactly like atlp V1, BUT not slammed friendly and will get quickly destroyed. thats why atlp V2 redesigned owns and gives the best of both worlds. atlp FTW

2. mbr311 covered it, vafc is useless and waste of money. AEM FI/c only good if your FI, but cant advance timing which is beneficial for NA. you'll still gain if you lean out the a/f a bit, but not much especially for the $ to hp cost =/

3. no need for a/f gauge, unless your FI imo BUT if you insist, then wideband all the way. narrowband will give you nothing more than a pretty lightshow (maybe useful after a night of raving) but thats it.

4. again, gauges only good if your pushing some really good HP, where oil press, oil temp, etc,. are vital

you have a CAI and custom exhaust, thats a good start. look into a crank pulley, PCD's, jpipe, manifold spacer and there might be a couple of other things im missing. theres not much out there and in the end, FI is the only way your going to get serious power. GL
thanks! yea I want to do a custom gauge set up in the center counsel but I want to get gauges that actually serve a purpose that why I was wondering about the a/f

also since I am pretty low are the ATLP v2 and richie's v2 j pipe the best for being slammed?
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Don't let the automatic get in ur way, look at worldon1finger. Save up money and do the following in order:
J-pipe, pulley, spacer, get Paul to build you a set of heads, get a j33 bottom end, and tune it.
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Old November 26th, 2009, 09:48 AM   #12
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^ if you really want the car to have power then get the J33. I think you should start with crank pully, mdx spacer mod (Paul NVA-AV6) is selling this, j-pipe and then go from there. BTW where are you from op?
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Also get a auto tranny cooler. That helped my car out a lot.
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Old November 26th, 2009, 11:04 AM   #14
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i just saw that spacer mod looks great since it helps with low end torque but install kind of looks like a PITA. Oh well...if I had access to the Progressive garage I could do it, now without that access we just don't have many tools anymore.
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^ if you really want the car to have power then get the J33. I think you should start with crank pully, mdx spacer mod (Paul NVA-AV6) is selling this, j-pipe and then go from there. BTW where are you from op?
I was thinking about the j33 awhile back but idk how long I plan on keeping the car to invest that kind of money in the engine when I know im not going to do any forced induction or internal work. Im okay with simple bolt ones..just get an over all better driving experience with it. Im from north suburbs of chicago.

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Also get a auto tranny cooler. That helped my car out a lot.
Really? you could feel the difference or was the temp knocked down a lot?
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Old November 26th, 2009, 04:04 PM   #16
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I was thinking about the j33 awhile back but idk how long I plan on keeping the car to invest that kind of money in the engine when I know im not going to do any forced induction or internal work. Im okay with simple bolt ones..just get an over all better driving experience with it. Im from north suburbs of chicago.


Really? you could feel the difference or was the temp knocked down a lot?
I too have a J33, and auto tranny cooler, well worth the money. I'm running and AFR Guage and AEM EMS.
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Old November 28th, 2009, 12:17 PM   #17
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so are the ALTP v2 and richies v2 j pipe relatively slam friendly?
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^ Yes they are. The ATLP V2 sits just like the regular J Pipe
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i just saw that spacer mod looks great since it helps with low end torque but install kind of looks like a PITA. Oh well...if I had access to the Progressive garage I could do it, now without that access we just don't have many tools anymore.
Mark, it's actually a very easy mod. I did it in just one hour with basic hand tools. Very much worth the money for this mod. It was as noticable a difference in power as the pulley was.
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Mark, it's actually a very easy mod. I did it in just one hour with basic hand tools. Very much worth the money for this mod. It was as noticable a difference in power as the pulley was.
Really? hmm, so it definitely helps with low to mid range torque? I have to wait awhile to buy mods anyway but that one would be at the top of the list as its fairly inexpensive. Hmm..Thanks Todd
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Mark,
You can definately feel the difference. Great bang for buck.
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so does the intake spacer sit behind the throttle body? or under the intake manifold?
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Under the intake manifold.
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the spacer is great! very basic hand tools for installation and although I haven't changed out the stocks pre-formed tubing/piping to accommadate the raised mani, I still had just enough slack.
If you have the 6speed, rising the mani closer to the strut tower bar will need attention. However accomplished, this mod is a GO!
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i dont have a 6 speed but I do have the greddy strut bar
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Old November 30th, 2009, 12:37 PM   #26
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I have a auto but also have the 6 speed strut bar and just a tad figgiting around made it work great.
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As a former AV6 owner I feel for you guys. I love the car, but there are absolutely no mods out there. Can't understand why more companies aren't supporting this car. Especially now that it's been out there for so long. Oh well.

ps. Does anyone know why the Accord isn't tune friendly? I've got a Camaro and they just hook it up, use some HP Tuners software and presto, tuned car. Why isn't the Accord like that?? Just wondering cause I could never figure it out when I owned one.
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Hey guys - where would we get an auto tranny cooler?

http://www.etrailer.com/p-D12906.htm?vehicleid=20065295

something like that? Or are there anyones that you guys would recommend?

and if you had one- which one works for the 7.5 gen?



And sorry for this nob q- whats a j33? I tried googling it with honda accord...and I just get more mentions of it - nothing about it though
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As a former AV6 owner I feel for you guys. I love the car, but there are absolutely no mods out there. Can't understand why more companies aren't supporting this car. Especially now that it's been out there for so long. Oh well.

ps. Does anyone know why the Accord isn't tune friendly? I've got a Camaro and they just hook it up, use some HP Tuners software and presto, tuned car. Why isn't the Accord like that?? Just wondering cause I could never figure it out when I owned one.
a little off topic here. but so jealous of ur new camaro chappy. did u get the ss, dont think i see the mail slot in how the photo. if its the six does is fell compared to the accord, i remember u had pretty much the same mods as i did
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Old December 16th, 2009, 06:34 PM   #30
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The "automatics" do a good job!

Did all of the simple mod's and very happy. Did a couple of runs with pbook4g5, and actually hung with him better than I thought.

Third Cat Removed
Borla
K&N Air Intake
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J-Pipe

Next mod, having the owner loose 10 lbs. :-)

BTW, where has "book4g5" been? Have not seen him on the site in awhile.

MBR311, we have to get you up here and do a meet!
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