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Old May 22nd, 2004, 02:30 PM   #1
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7th Gen AV6 High Performance J-Pipe

Theres been a thread going on recently that involves a joint effort between Borla and V6P.net to see how many people are interested in some brand new Borla products for our Accords. One of the products listed in the poll is a J-pipe for us 7th gen. Accords. I'm sad to see that only 11 of us 7th gen.s have voted and only about 3 or 4 of us have participated in the thread. We need to show them the amount of interest there is in a product like this if we are ever to see it go into the prototype stage and eventually into production. Come on guys, it's a J-pipe, the magical part that we've all been talking about since we've had our cars as subistitute for our lack of headers. I'm posting this here because I'm not sure wether or not the majority of us even know this thread exists. So please guys put your votes in, I'm dying for some parts.

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Old May 22nd, 2004, 07:51 PM   #2
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I've voted and on board for buying one as soon as it comes out.
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if they got stuff for the 4banger im in.
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Cool Reality Check about getting new Aft-Mkt Products for your Rides!

Bottomline, it's all about producing impressive numbers! Talk is cheap when you have nothing to show manufacturers! If V6P.net cannot get enough members to comitt and express their interest in the products we are seeking, then several of us are going to be S.O.L. in getting anything!

If enough 4 bangers were to get their act together I would be getting all sorts of products for their rides. I need product polls that show me what you all need & want! Some of US are doing are best to get the products, WE just need more members to speak up and start participating more!

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The number one thing I now look for when buying piping for my car now is QUALITY!! basically I want "ALUMINIZED" T-304 STAINLESS STEEL! Rust is going to be my primary concern. The gains are going to be there, no doubt, but I've already been burned before and I will never be burned again. I'm not touching a J-Pipe, unless its made by greddy or comptech, costing ~a grand!. sorry guys.
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It's probaly because nobody goes to that side for the forum. To tell you the truth I have 7th gen av6 as my favorite shortcut. 7th gen is the only place I go in this v6p website.

but now that you point it out, I'm interested depending on certain conditions of this mod.

1. hp/torque predictions
2. cost
3. harm to gas milage?? if so how much
4. how much noise increase?
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The number one thing I now look for when buying piping for my car now is QUALITY!! basically I want "ALUMINIZED" T-304 STAINLESS STEEL! Rust is going to be my primary concern. The gains are going to be there, no doubt, but I've already been burned before and I will never be burned again. I'm not touching a J-Pipe, unless its made by greddy or comptech, costing ~a grand!. sorry guys.
Torquie.. who says Borla doesn't produce as good product (if not better) than greddy or comptech? just because Borla doesn't charge as much as Greddy or Comptech only means they're willing to make less profit..

And I believe Borla do use "T-304 STAINLESS STEEL" in their catback system..
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i think that he don't like borla is because they were mainly domestic aftermarket. Comptech is 100% honda, and greddy is imports.
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Come on Modfreak, just because your Magnaflow catback started rusting doesn't mean that Borla will. That Magnaflow was made of lower grade stainless steel, and with a million mile warranty who cares if it somehow rusts because you'll be getting a brand new one if thats the case. I'm not saying a Greddy or Comptech J-pipe will be crap, but then again when are they going to make one? Let's stay positive about this so that we have some options here.
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Old May 23rd, 2004, 01:48 PM   #10
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Just Do It! I already voted and would buy. So should other 7th gen'ers!
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Come on Modfreak, just because your Magnaflow catback started rusting doesn't mean that Borla will. That Magnaflow was made of lower grade stainless steel, and with a million mile warranty who cares if it somehow rusts because you'll be getting a brand new one if thats the case. I'm not saying a Greddy or Comptech J-pipe will be crap, but then again when are they going to make one? Let's stay positive about this so that we have some options here.
I'm not dogging borla, I've never owned their stuff, I'm just saying that from personal experience, comptech, and greddy charge quite a bit for their products, and the type of stainless steel matieral both those company use are of the highest standard available. I live in the midwest and get plenty of road salt during the winter. I'm not willing to swap out rusty, exhaust system piping every year, just because the company has a million mile warranty. Just remember you get what you pay for in this world, and I'm willing to wait for and go for comptech's downpipe when it becomes available.
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Come on Modfreak, just because your Magnaflow catback started rusting doesn't mean that Borla will.
they both used 400 series stainless for their piping. I not only want T304, I want aluminzed stainless steel, for additional resistance to corrosion, since its being exposed to road salt.
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Old May 23rd, 2004, 04:11 PM   #13
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they both used 400 series stainless for their piping. I not only want T304, I want aluminzed stainless steel, for additional resistance to corrosion, since its being exposed to road salt.
Sorry man Borla DOES in fact use all T304 stainless steel. My Borla cat-back as gone through plenty of snow this year in New York with not even a hint of surface rust
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Sorry man Borla DOES in fact use all T304 stainless steel. My Borla cat-back as gone through plenty of snow this year in New York with not even a hint of surface rust
our downpipe still should cost almost a grand, or were're not getting the quality we need. here's a link to what a real chromed out stainless steel downpipe would look like(ignore the headers above it):

http://solar.innercite.com/comptech/220042av6.html
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My Borla cat-back as gone through plenty of snow this year in New York with not even a hint of surface rust
look very carefully at the b pipe section of this borla cat back:

click on picture number 3

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Ooooh I did not know that thread existed!! I will go vote right now
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look very carefully at the b pipe section of this borla cat back:

click on picture number 3
a dumbass question... where is the b pipe section?

lol.. i was surprised my page pop-ups...

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a dumbass question... where is the b pipe section?

lol.. i was surprised my page pop-ups...
B-pipe is the pipe that connects the Y-pipe/axle-back mufflers to the headers (if we had them)

This is Comptech's B-pipe for the CLS/TLS


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B-pipe is the pipe that connects the Y-pipe/axle-back mufflers to the headers (if we had them)

This is Comptech's B-pipe for the CLS/TLS
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Borla doesn't polish the whole system big deal. I'm not seeing any rust in the picture.
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Old May 24th, 2004, 08:43 AM   #21
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I'd vote a yes yes, but I'd like to have some idea of:

1) hp gains

2) noise levels

3)cost

4)fuel econ effect
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I'd vote a yes yes, but I'd like to have some idea of:

1) hp gains

2) noise levels

3)cost

4)fuel econ effect
We'll never find the answers to those questions without your vote and a vote from all of the 7th gen guys. I've seen an improvement since I've started this thread but it's still not nearly enough. Come on guys we need your votes!
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I voted. I want the J-pipe and a cat-back exhaust.
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I voted. I want the J-pipe and a cat-back exhaust.
Catback is already available from few vendors..
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OK, OK. I'll vote for the J (pipe that is ).
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I personally don't care much for a chromed out J-pipe. My priority is performance and quality. I would be satisfied if I can get a J-pipe made from all T304 stainless steel and doesn't rust, produces 10hp, and costs around $600. Is that too much to ask for? <sigh>
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Wow man, I think you overpriced it....$600? Your giving Borla evil thoughts. I think its more in the $200-$300 range. And I still think thats over priced for spending a couple labor hours bending a hollow piece of steel and selling a large number of clones. Borla, make the J-pipe, you'd make a killing off of us!
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In case David Borla and others are monitoring this thread, here is what we are looking at. As you can see, our after market J-pipe would only involve "bending a hollow piece of steel" for quality fit and finish.

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You're right, its hard work fabricating something that fits well, and performs well, I know that too well. I worked in a manufacturing shop for 4 years making anything from CNC machined piston heads to vises. But still, Borla makes some mean profit from selling small performance parts such as a j-pipe as opposed to a full cat back system whisch incluseds a resonator, two mufflers, polished tips, and whole lot of pipe.
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In case David Borla and others are monitoring this thread, here is what we are looking at. As you can see, our after market J-pipe would only involve "bending a hollow piece of steel" for quality fit and finish.
here's a smart one. Ok you buy your "hollow piece of steel from borla", I'll buy mine from comptech, and pay double.

oh and since you don't seem to "give a dam" about the meaning of the word "quality", why don't you just sell your honda, and go buy a damn cavalier? why overpay 15 grand for a car? I mean a car is steel, with some wheels right?
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