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Old June 17th, 2004, 11:10 PM   #1
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CAI vs. Short Ram, which 1?

ive heard many things on the whole CAI and short ram issue, CAI is good cause it helps the engine breathe better, BUT even with a bypass water could still be sucked up..... how much water will it take to mess up your engine? short ram, also good but since its directly in the engine bay it sucks less cold air, is it worth the buy then? and finally which one is worth purchasing,INjen....AEM.....K&N? and ive got 8000 miles on my AV6, should i wait to hit 10K to start moding? sorry for all the Questions but rather make sure whats worth gettin for my car that wont mess it up in the long run
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You have very little to worry about in regards to hydrolock, from what i understand, the entire filter must be submerged for hydrolocking to occur.
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any intake with an open cone element has the potential to suck up water and hydrolock. It doesn't take very much, but it's really more bad luck if you do get hydrolock. Only a handful of people here have ever hydrolocked in the nearly 4 years that I've been around here. And pretty much everybody has an intake. I had a CAI on my Accord with no bypass and drove it through the remnants of a hurricane without a problem. The failure mode seems to be driving next to a truck and having a TON of water splash down on the hood. A closed box intake setup like the factory or the Comptech Icebox are the only things that give protection against that. No open element intake system is everything proof.

As for CAI vs SRI, a CAI will not necessarily give you colder air. It's been measured on these cars that the under hood temps is pretty much ambient once you're moving at as slow as 5 mph. IMHO, a lot of the hype on CAI's is just that. HYPE. They're not necessarily any better than SRI's, although that's not what intake companies want you to believe because they make more money on CAI's due to said hype. There is a lot of evidence for the 6th gen AV6's that a SRI actually performs BETTER than a CAI, although nobody has ever done a back to back dyno to actually prove it. Cars with SRI's seem to perform "better" on the track though.

Vendor dynos are useless (see sig). We need somebody here to do an intake shootout. Same day, same car, same dyno, all the different intakes. Sound wise there are lots of comments though. Search.

You don't need to wait until 10k to start modding either.
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Old June 17th, 2004, 11:48 PM   #4
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You have very little to worry about in regards to hydrolock, from what i understand, the entire filter must be submerged for hydrolocking to occur.
As stated in above post, a few people have hydrolocked just by having enough water splashed onto the filter head and *not* fully submerged. If their luck is bad enough it could be enough all in one cylinder to lock it up and stall the engine. Might not take it out immediately, though. Might just bend a rod or something and the engine might let go down the road.

Hydrolock used to be a myth on these cars that never happened. But as time goes on, it's more like a rare but not unheard of occurance due more to bad luck than anything else. Hydrolock fears still wouldn't stop me from buying an intake.
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thanks for clearing up my misconceptions.
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does it flood often where u live? if not, then get CAI
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i was doin more research, im not waitin for a SRI since i really have no clue when one will be released, thanks guys for all the posts, but im slammed with another question, around where i live it rains alot, ive read so many things on AEM and the V2, why is it that the V2 doesnt have a bypass valve? its probably a stupid question but nontheless id like to know, and i also would like to know if the K&N CAI needs a bypass aswell, which one would be more preferrable K&N or AEM?
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...but im slammed with another question, around where i live it rains alot, ive read so many things on AEM and the V2, why is it that the V2 doesnt have a bypass valve?
Not a stupid question at all You can't use the bypass valve with the V2 because it would defeat the purpose of the V2's design. The bypass valve would disrupt the special sound wave frequencies created by the V2's different-sized piping and therefore cancel out the advantage that the V2 has over the regular CAI.
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Old June 21st, 2004, 08:34 PM   #9
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What abouth K&N?

Does K&N's CAI, CCA, or SRI even compare to the AEM?
Anyone try these two items out.. here is a link
K&N $150.00



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