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Old June 26th, 2004, 06:01 PM   #1
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6MT feeling super sluggish...

For the past few weeks my car has been feeling extremely weak. This has been on both warm and cool days, humidity high or low doesnt matter..

Current mods are only AEM V2 and Tanabe catback. I do however have alot of extra weight due to system and dampning, but it has been there the entire time for the most part. I do also have 18" rims (SSR GT1s), but again has been there.

At first I just figured, ok Im used to the car and Im just getting bored, but when certain cars are keeping up/passing me in which case didnt at all before then I know its an issue.

I did try resetting the ECU via disconeccting the neg battery terminal AND the other method of pulling the ECU Backup fuse. Neither of which changed anything (that Im aware of).

ANY help at all would be appreciated.

MODs...didnt know exactly where to place this category wise, as there are so many different possibilites. If a different location is preferred feel free to redirect.

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dyno, not butt dyno
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If it's as serious as you say it is, get a dyno. That way you know for sure and, if there is a great loss in power, you can take it to the dealer to get it fixed before it's too late.

By the way, did you happen to drive any real fast cars lately? I know that when I had my 4-cyl. Accord, I thought it was pretty quick (for a 4-cyl., atleast ) Then I took out my friend's 240hp 6-spd VW R32 and my car felt like a school bus for the next few weeks or so. I know you have a 6-spd so that chance is pretty slim unless you took out an M3 or something

Anyway, good luck and keep us posted!
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maybe you got a 4th gen maxima knock sensor in your accord

Plug in an OBD-II scanner and see if there's any pending codes.
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Old June 26th, 2004, 11:07 PM   #6
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I felt the same way for the longest time about my car. It just seemes slow. Turns out I had been driving the car so much that I was completely use to how it performed. I went out to the track one night and ran my quickest time of [email protected] with my automatic.

Turns out the car was actually a touch quicker, but my butt dyno said otherwise.

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Old June 26th, 2004, 11:48 PM   #7
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Running 93octane, with the occasional ultra 94. Full synthetic oil.

I will be going for another dyno, whenever UR gets off their a$$es and finishes the pullies.

Just gotta get my hands on OBDII scanner now. Although I am going for my new seats and shifter Thursday Im sure they can check for codes then correct?

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How many miles have you been running on full synthetic? Only reason i ask is because when i got my car at the dealership, 6spd as well, i asked about what oil to use. I said something like full synthetic after blah blah blah. They told me that this car shouldn't use full synthetic oil for some reason. I forget what he told me to use, but it should be in the back of your owners manual under all the other kinds of fluids to use.
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Old June 27th, 2004, 12:30 AM   #9
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How many miles have you been running on full synthetic? Only reason i ask is because when i got my car at the dealership, 6spd as well, i asked about what oil to use. I said something like full synthetic after blah blah blah. They told me that this car shouldn't use full synthetic oil for some reason. I forget what he told me to use, but it should be in the back of your owners manual under all the other kinds of fluids to use.
Its been running on it for approx 6K now. Thanks for the info though Ill be looking into it...

Steve, any input on this?

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I don't see any reason why the J30A4 shouldn't be able to run full synthetic. Some of the A1 guys do. There's no oil guru here, though. Go hit up bill at the org. The dealership is probably just blowing smoke like usual.
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Manual doesn't say anything about not using full synthetic.
It just says if you do use synthetic you still should stick to the intervals as in manual(HELL NO! every 7500? NO!)
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Don,

Give me a hollar on Aim, I will bring my coupe by (totally stock) and you can take it for a spin to see if it really feels different.

Also a friend has a scanner, I will see what I can do for you.
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Old June 27th, 2004, 11:31 PM   #13
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Give me a hollar on Aim, I will bring my coupe by (totally stock) and you can take it for a spin to see if it really feels different.

Also a friend has a scanner, I will see what I can do for you.
That would be perfect. But I never see you on AIM anymore...

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I am new to Accords (picked mine up today) but not new to cars. I looked at your mods list, and I would try to spray some electrical contact cleaner onto the thin wires in the MAF sensor. Many times the oil from the aftermarket filer will put a very thin coating on the wires. Just enough to effect performance a little bit.

Worth a shot, if nothing else, you know its not that.

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I am new to Accords (picked mine up today) but not new to cars. I looked at your mods list, and I would try to spray some electrical contact cleaner onto the thin wires in the MAF sensor. Many times the oil from the aftermarket filer will put a very thin coating on the wires. Just enough to effect performance a little bit.

Worth a shot, if nothing else, you know its not that.

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Running 93octane, with the occasional ultra 94. Full synthetic oil.

I will be going for another dyno, whenever UR gets off their a$$es and finishes the pullies.

Just gotta get my hands on OBDII scanner now. Although I am going for my new seats and shifter Thursday Im sure they can check for codes then correct?

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Well, do not count on the UR doing anything anytime soon. I always call them to ask status and they give me the runaround with "prototyping". YEAAAA. Two years to prototype a damn crank pulley? Jesus! They need some crack-head motivation over there, I am dyin for a crank pulley!
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Old July 8th, 2004, 12:09 PM   #18
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Well, do not count on the UR doing anything anytime soon. I always call them to ask status and they give me the runaround with "prototyping". YEAAAA. Two years to prototype a damn crank pulley? Jesus! They need some crack-head motivation over there, I am dyin for a crank pulley!

I agree 110% everytime I call they tell me about another 30 days....
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I am new to Accords (picked mine up today) but not new to cars. I looked at your mods list, and I would try to spray some electrical contact cleaner onto the thin wires in the MAF sensor. Many times the oil from the aftermarket filer will put a very thin coating on the wires. Just enough to effect performance a little bit.

Worth a shot, if nothing else, you know its not that.

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seems like you're new to Honda's.
J30A4 doesn't use MAF, it uses MAP. so there is no wires to get dirty.

i believe there is only few models with K block are using MAF & MAP sensors, and those models only sold in California.
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Don what was the outcome with the car? Did the dealer get any codes? Let me know if you need my accord.
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Manual doesn't say anything about not using full synthetic.
It just says if you do use synthetic you still should stick to the intervals as in manual(HELL NO! every 7500? NO!)
I just ran a 5500 mile drain on Mobil1 5w30 (which is a full synthetic) and will be running between 7000-7500 miles on the next drain. I might do a filter change at 4k as well.

There is no reason not to use synthetic oil in this car as the benefits far outweigh the cost- which is only slightly more than normal oil

5 quarts of M1 is $18 at Walmart. 5 quarts of Penzoil or something comparable is around $8-10 and I go more than twice as long. Well I guess that actually makes it cheaper and better.

Yes, you can go more than 3000 miles, if you don't believe me do what I did and read all over bobistheoilguy.com (like Steve recommended) and read this: Mobil 1 Oil Study
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I just ran a 5500 mile drain on Mobil1 5w30 (which is a full synthetic) and will be running between 7000-7500 miles on the next drain. I might do a filter change at 4k as well.

There is no reason not to use synthetic oil in this car as the benefits far outweigh the cost- which is only slightly more than normal oil

5 quarts of M1 is $18 at Walmart. 5 quarts of Penzoil or something comparable is around $8-10 and I go more than twice as long. Well I guess that actually makes it cheaper and better.

Yes, you can go more than 3000 miles, if you don't believe me do what I did and read all over bobistheoilguy.com (like Steve recommended) and read this: Mobil 1 Oil Study
Oh, I never said I wouldn't go above 3000. I just quoted what the manual said.
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Don what was the outcome with the car? Did the dealer get any codes? Let me know if you need my accord.

No codes came up for them. I also checked myself and nothing.... Going back Wednesday as they only replaced one of my seats.

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I am taking my car in on Wed, across the street from you.. at open road. I need an oil change, and I am going to have them fix a rattle and take care of my brake warpage. I also talked to them about a seat and a Honda rep will call me.... still haven't gotten a call.

Let me know if you want to do a comparo this weekend.
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I am taking my car in on Wed, across the street from you.. at open road. I need an oil change, and I am going to have them fix a rattle and take care of my brake warpage. I also talked to them about a seat and a Honda rep will call me.... still haven't gotten a call.

Let me know if you want to do a comparo this weekend.

LoL thats why I love my dealer....I told em I wanted new seats, they set an appointment.

Yea we can still compare, weather permitting of course...this rain is rediculous.

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no relief in sight for the rain...

I may have to go to your dealer depending on what happens at mine.
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How many miles have you been running on full synthetic? Only reason i ask is because when i got my car at the dealership, 6spd as well, i asked about what oil to use. I said something like full synthetic after blah blah blah. They told me that this car shouldn't use full synthetic oil for some reason. I forget what he told me to use, but it should be in the back of your owners manual under all the other kinds of fluids to use.
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My manual (6th gen) says you can use full synthetic but to follow the same intervals (normal and severe) for regular oil. I've been using full synthetic for over 2 years in my car and have not run into any problems because of it. I change it around every 4000 miles since I don't drive that much (around 10k miles a year).

What brand of gas are you using 6spdcoupe?



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