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Old August 9th, 2004, 12:14 AM   #1
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Why... oh why...

hey guys...
I have been bothering Comptech for a while now.. about the supercharger (supposedly) that is coming out.. thinking about getting it (if and when) it comes out.. BUT...

I do have a 55 shot of ZEX wet kit installed... so just a quick recap here...

1) Supercharger.. Good...
----- about 50-60 WHP there... All the time...
----- with a good instalation it would be reliable and would not damage your engine if you do not abuse it..
BAD:
------ will cost about 4 grand...
------ Car might be hard to sell/trade in with it installed, taking it off would be quite a job ...
----- lots of engine work and modifying (brakets, belts, pulleys, EMS (computer)..)

2) Nitrous.... Good.
------ there only when I need it... does not put strain on motor if not used..
------- close to same gains (50-60) shot..
------- with 55 shot , no timing retard needed, no fuel upgrade needed, no new plugs needed (drove on the stock densos for a while with my 55 shot... holding up just fine).
------ about 500 to 800 dollars......
------ super easy to take off in case you want to sell/trade in the car.. no major mods to engine or ECU (for a 55 shot... )
BAD....
----- will damage your motor if you did a crappy install / or dont know when/how to use it...
----- some people consider it cheating ? dont know why .. but they do..
----- with wet system you have a fuel/nitrous mixture flowing through your intake manifold...... residue on sensors and so on..
---- need to fill the bottle from time to time...
---- can get expensive with all the goodies... (remote bottle opener, window switch.. and so on)



So considering that most of us (generalizing here a bit) want the occasional race with a WRX, or a 350 Z, .. why are so many people hooked on the supercharger (like in the 6th gen case) instead on the nitrous...????? the charger is sooo expensive (its cool but still 4 grand is not trivial)... and nitrous is cheap and just perfect for the occasional spanking...

My opinion... our cars have enough power for the daily driving in the city or anywhere else... .. a S/C works amazing and has a very linear response espesially at low to mid RPM's .. but i still think that our cars have plenty of power for normal driving and we do not need the "bigger motor feel" that a supercharger gives....
Nitrous on the other hand... its power when i need it... i do have the occasional race here and there.. and a bottle can last me more than a month../ .. when not using it.. the car runs totally stock.. normal gas milage and so on..
so why .. oh why.. do people prefer superchargers and are willing to pay so much money for them???..

(the ironic part is that i am considering the S/C also.. but i am hoping with the above monolog of mine.... that i can look at things more objectively and not act on my impulsive side and drop 4 grand just like that...)..
currently i am at 200.1 ft-lb torque and 225 Whp (V2 + greddy Evo2) no nitrous... with the juice.. 55 shot .. i dyno at about 265-270 whp.. depending on bottle pressure.. (optimum i have found is at about 950 psi..).
any opinions would be welcome...
thanks...
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Old August 9th, 2004, 12:46 AM   #2
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I would take CT's supercharger over a nitrous kit anyday. For too many reasons and Iam lazy to type but they should be pretty obvious.
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I dunno why they call nitrous cheating causee u paied for it and its a mod......if its like that then all mods are cheating
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Old August 9th, 2004, 09:05 AM   #4
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Nitrous is just too quick/cheap/easy for alot of people. Everyone has their own opinion about it though. I personally the car should at least be quick off the bottle. In other words, putting a NO2 kit on a bone stock car will get no respect from me, no matter how fast you run. I care more about how much time and effort is spent on a car than how quick it is. Any jackass can slap a $500 nitrous kit on a car.

But it definitely has its place. For you personally, it sounds ideal for what you want your car to be. Just keep in mind you won't get respect like you would with FI or an all-motor beast.

The primary reason I don't use squeeze is it isn't permanent. I raced a kid in a Civic with like a 50 or 60 shot. He beat me and was talking junk, so I simply said "Now can you do that 10 more times in a row?"
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Old August 9th, 2004, 12:03 PM   #5
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Nitrous bad

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2) Nitrous....
BAD....
----- will damage your motor if you did a crappy install / or dont know when/how to use it...
----- some people consider it cheating ? dont know why .. but they do..
----- with wet system you have a fuel/nitrous mixture flowing through your intake manifold...... residue on sensors and so on..
---- need to fill the bottle from time to time...
---- can get expensive with all the goodies... (remote bottle opener, window switch.. and so on)
And adding a nitrous system is illegal in some states (Virginia, in particular), whereas adding a supercharger probably isn't.
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Old August 9th, 2004, 12:07 PM   #6
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i'd take a s/c over nitrous any day of the week -- if i had the money
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Old August 9th, 2004, 12:51 PM   #7
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To me no2 is about equivalent to gutting your car to race it at the strip. Yeah you run faster but that's not how your car is the other 99.9% of the time. Same with no2- if your bottle is empty or your pressure is low all of the sudden it's not there any more. I'd much rather spend the $500-800 in engine mods (the fabled unichip perhaps?) than no2.
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Old August 9th, 2004, 12:54 PM   #8
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They call nitrous cheating because it's not power that's made 24/7. Nitrous is there when you need it, which is nice so you don't have to have the extra strain on the engine, but....I'd rather go with a S/C than nitrous, a lot safer.

I'd hate to get in a wreck, rear ended, with a bottle in the back and it explode on me. Doubtful that'd happen, but I'd still be worried with a pressurized bottle in the back. It worries me enough when I go scuba diving with oxygen tanks at 3250psi, being aluminum.

But I'm more than willing to drop 4 grand for a S/C....just to hear the whine it produces and the instant power all the time, throughout the RPM range.
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Old August 9th, 2004, 01:18 PM   #9
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[QUOTE=SpeedRacer] Any jackass can slap a $500 nitrous kit on a car.

i dont think any jackass can use it correctly .

[qoute=SpeedRacer] Just keep in mind you won't get respect like you would with FI or an all-motor beast.

i consider nitrous as a form of forced induction
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Nitrous is just too quick/cheap/easy for alot of people. Everyone has their own opinion about it though. I personally the car should at least be quick off the bottle. In other words, putting a NO2 kit on a bone stock car will get no respect from me, no matter how fast you run. I care more about how much time and effort is spent on a car than how quick it is. Any jackass can slap a $500 nitrous kit on a car.
So no respect no matter how fast you run on juice? Okay, so go ahead and spend THOUSANDS to run slower. Go over to Maxima.org and tell all of the 12 second juicers that you don't give them any respect because they just "slapped on" nitrous kits.

Here's a 12-second Maxima running a 12-second DSM. Oh and the Maxima is even an automatic.

http://www.v6performance.net/forums/...ad.php?t=31886

Better yet, tell all of the sub-10 domestic muscelcar owners that you don't give them any respect either.

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But it definitely has its place. For you personally, it sounds ideal for what you want your car to be. Just keep in mind you won't get respect like you would with FI or an all-motor beast.
Well that's just your opinions, which I strongly disagree with. At the end of the day, a 12 second car on juice beats a 13 second car on motor or boost, and guess who gets the win and the trophies. You can make up any excuse that you want, the 12 second car is still faster.

At least from a drag racing perspective, nitrous produces instantaneous torque right off the line where you need it. If you want quick ET's, nitrous is exactly what's needed. A turbo has lag, and the S/C's on these cars are setup more for top-end. You'll have quick traps, but because you can't get off the line you'll never have truly quick ET's. Guess who has the quickest Accord here, and guess what they had in the trunk?

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The primary reason I don't use squeeze is it isn't permanent. I raced a kid in a Civic with like a 50 or 60 shot. He beat me and was talking junk, so I simply said "Now can you do that 10 more times in a row?"



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Old August 9th, 2004, 02:26 PM   #11
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SteVTEC...I agree about 95% with you. I don't think I got my point across correctly before. Primarily it's just the stupid kids with bone stock cars that slap on a wet kit and think they're the bomb that get to me. It takes no talent nor intelligence.

As for the guys running 12's and all...that's a whole different story. That level of nitrous use requires a fairly serious level of automotive knowledge to run efficiently and safely. That I can respect.

And yes, I would rather run 15's all day everyday than 13's on the bottle and 17's off.
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