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Old October 30th, 2004, 11:33 AM   #1
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Best Bang for the Buck?

Im pretty new to japanese car mods. What is the simplest/cheapest mod, and provides the best power increase, if its that simple anyway?
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cold air intake, AEM v2 or injen. i recommend injen, as i have one, and you should be able to find one between 200-225. sounds great, gives a little power.

edit: if you want to wait a little bit, unorthodox racing should be getting us some pullies that'll give 10-20 hp.
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CAI for sure. I have Injen as well, get one, you wouldn't be disappointed. After that you could get little suspension mods, battery ground, eventually the Unichip. Those are little things that totally change your car. And aren't expensive like rims/tires, drop, body kits, exhaust.

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nitrous pound for pound, downside reliability on the long run.
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Old October 30th, 2004, 12:16 PM   #5
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Im pretty new to japanese car mods. What is the simplest/cheapest mod, and provides the best power increase, if its that simple anyway?
the INTAKE does NOT give the "best power increase" ...for 150-250 bux you pay for 1-2hp....its not worth it for power, but it sounds GREAT



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nitrous pound for pound, downside reliability on the long run.
yeah..i have to say nitrious...i'm not a fan, but vnguy is right
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Nitrous is a bad idea. Sure if used correctly it is the best bang for the buck, but who cares. NOS sucks. I never used it, but I never will either.

And CAI will give you more than 1HP.
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Old October 30th, 2004, 01:48 PM   #7
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the INTAKE does NOT give the "best power increase" ...for 150-250 bux you pay for 1-2hp....its not worth it for power, but it sounds GREAT

I believe intake does give you a little more than 1-2hp. I don't think a majority of people on this web site would buy intake unless they were to see some significant gains in horsepower. At lowest, your going to gain at least 5hp.


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Supposedly the Injen I have gave me 15 or so. CAI and premiem gas is what they ran the test with I think, that is what I use. So I should be making 250-260 HP, but really only seeing 200 at the wheels.

If you want to do NOS, do it, it will be fast, powerful, cheap, and iffy. I just wouldn't trust it on my car. All motor, then turbo, supercharger, NOS would be my last choice. But for the money/power, you can't get anything else that would compare. Forced induction is too expensive, all motor can get just as expensive, NOS is cheap, and does the same thing as far as power boost. But our cars don't have the turbo/supercharger(yet) options out yet. So a nice NOS system would be your only choice is you need 50 HP and have less than $1000 to spend.

Just get an Injen CAI, upgrade rear sway, drop it on some nice rims with really good tires and your car will be a totally different car. Eventually get an exhaust and the other related breathing parts. Grounding wires. You're car would be good to go.
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Lets put it this way, an intake will take a half a second off your quarter mile time- that sure sounds like more than 2hp to me. Check around, there are dynos that show 12+ gains at the wheels. An intake is by far the best bang for the buck other than nitrous. Nitrous is like a really hot girl with an STD, you know you want to hit it, but you are afraid of the consequences.
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Old October 30th, 2004, 02:39 PM   #10
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Calm down kiddies, nitrous is perfecty safe as long as you're not an idiot, install it correct, and keep tabs on your motor. Just like you would have to do with any other major performance mod (turbo/sc in mind).
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Our cars are pretty highly tuned from the factory so dont expect massive gains from a bolt on. It seems that an AEM V2/Injen CAI give roughly 10whp. I'm looking forward to pulleys as well. Frees up roughly 10whp. I'm not so sure how effective exhaust upgrades are yet.
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Old October 30th, 2004, 09:42 PM   #12
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no way to NOS, im not runnin an afterhours streetracing circuit here, just wanted a little extra boost, CAI is what im plannin on. Any good sites offering up Injen for cheap, do the kits have everything i need for install?
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higher octane gas?
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Old October 30th, 2004, 11:22 PM   #14
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higher octane gas?
Yeah, I agree. Dont forget, a Honda engineer was quoted as saying that 91+ octane gives us 10hp/10ft-tq at the crank.
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Old October 30th, 2004, 11:43 PM   #15
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not to go against the flow, but nitrous is just as reliable as a turbo if you know anything about cars and are somewhat responsible. As long as you don't try and throw a 400 shot on your stock motor you'll be fine. And a 75 shot would give you a significant difference in performance lol

nitrous is just another form of forcing air & fuel into your engine, like a supercharger or a turbocharger. Either way, the goal is to try and make more power per combustion to increase efficiency & go faster
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$200 + shipping. best price i've found. i bought from him.
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Exhaust:
Chop the 3rd cat, resonator and premuffler ... replace with 2.5" piping all the way until the Y split. Gives great sound (no droning) .. and "some" performance gains (no low end losses!) .. and of course this is a very cheap mod to do!! (<$100)

Intake:
Yup the Injen or AEM V2 would be great, about +10-15 max whp. There are dynos here on this site to prove it.

Tires+Suspension:
'04 TL or '03 CL-S rear sway bars (<$60)!

And best yet, like said in a thread above ... 91+ octane gas! (+$0.20 per gal or so)
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K so I lowered my car on Tein SS Coilovers today, didn't drive it a whole lot but suspension is definitely one of the better investments I've made. Changes the whole character of the car, no more body roll or any of that crazy ish.
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Well.. I am surprised no one had said Unichip...

Althought 7gen is still being r&d.. the 6gen had shown great result even to a cmpletely stock car!! check this post out.

http://www.v6performance.net/forums/...90&postcount=5

a stock vs a stock+unichip, on peak gains 12.9bhp and 12.3tq... avg gains 5.9bhp and 5.5tq..
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Yeah I didn't say that because it's not out yet
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Old October 31st, 2004, 01:31 PM   #21
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Well.. I am surprised no one had said Unichip...

Althought 7gen is still being r&d.. the 6gen had shown great result even to a cmpletely stock car!! check this post out.

http://www.v6performance.net/forums/...90&postcount=5

a stock vs a stock+unichip, on peak gains 12.9bhp and 12.3tq... avg gains 5.9bhp and 5.5tq..

Hey brex, am I reading this correctly? A 6th gen V6 accord with CAI and Unichip saw peak gains of 19.8 bhp and 52 lb-ft of torque?


If thats the case, wouldn't a 7th gen see the same amount of hp and torque if not more?
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[QUOTE=The Sync]Hey brex, am I reading this correctly? A 6th gen V6 accord with CAI and Unichip saw peak gains of 19.8 bhp and 52 lb-ft of torque?


I believe thats on a supercharged model. Gains for the natural induction models are less. Dont get me wrong, Im not downing unichip- I am already starting to save for one myself. Im just not expecting miracles.
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Don't forget about a short shifter! If you've got a standard tranny, this $50 mod will make shifting so much fun! It totally makes the car feel different, and for a 1-2 hour install (including beer time ), you can't go wrong.
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I believe thats on a supercharged model. Gains for the natural induction models are less. Dont get me wrong, Im not downing unichip- I am already starting to save for one myself. Im just not expecting miracles.


It specifically says AEM CAI on the 2nd column. And as far as I know, I don't think AEM makes a supercharger. So that was why I was questioning it.
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Hey brex, am I reading this correctly? A 6th gen V6 accord with CAI and Unichip saw peak gains of 19.8 bhp and 52 lb-ft of torque?

If thats the case, wouldn't a 7th gen see the same amount of hp and torque if not more?
yes, you're reading correctly...
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I believe thats on a supercharged model. Gains for the natural induction models are less. Dont get me wrong, Im not downing unichip- I am already starting to save for one myself. Im just not expecting miracles.
nop.. i believe the car is not yet supercharged at that testing point.. unichip needs to test each stage of mod.. so it was really just intake+unichip...
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Yeah I didn't say that because it's not out yet
yeah.. it is still being r&d.. and about 90 to 120 days delivery.. (from last week if it makes few days different.. )

althought you can make purchase it already from our e-store sometime this week..
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Hey brex, am I reading this correctly? A 6th gen V6 accord with CAI and Unichip saw peak gains of 19.8 bhp and 52 lb-ft of torque?


If thats the case, wouldn't a 7th gen see the same amount of hp and torque if not more?
look at the dyno chart. it's RIGHT at the start. i think it might have been a mis-dyno or something. not sure. i doubt it actually gives that much performance gain.
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look at the dyno chart. it's RIGHT at the start. i think it might have been a mis-dyno or something. not sure. i doubt it actually gives that much performance gain.
hmm.. i just realizde the chart of ame cai + unichip is showing up wrong.. it is actually showing comptech cai+greddy catback+nos+unichip.. but the matrix is correct.. it does produce that much gain..

in any case, i fixed the image link and correct chart is showing up now..

as for mis-dyno? well.. i don't know why it is so hard to beleive that unichip does gives out this much performance gain?
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wow. that's CRAZY! right off the line? that'll do serious good things to your launches.
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