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Old June 6th, 2005, 01:45 PM   #1
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Thermoblock spacers

http://www.outlawengineering.com/hondajframe.html

Anyone have any experience with these? I saw some posts on the 6th gen forums, those guys seem to like them. Anyone have one on a 7th gen?
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Sounds interesting. HONDATA has something similar, don't they?

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Old June 9th, 2005, 07:55 AM   #3
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V6P will be carrying them shortly

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Old June 9th, 2005, 08:16 AM   #4
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Cool beans!! Thanks V6P!
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Old June 9th, 2005, 09:16 AM   #5
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awesome! If V6P is carrying them, you know they work!
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Old June 9th, 2005, 09:23 AM   #6
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^really? I'm not trying to be a smartass, but how do we know that?

I don't see how this is much different from TB spacers...if I'm wrong, please explain.

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The way it works is by reducing the heat at the intake mainfold. If thats cooler your gunna get denser air, denser air means more HP.

So how the kit works is by putting a rubber piece in the middle of the IM and the block, which reduces heat. Also theres the TB spacer the take away even more heat that the IM still conducts trying to continue with getting colder denser air.

For every 5 degree colder you get a 1% in HP. At least this is just the way i look at it.
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Old June 9th, 2005, 11:03 AM   #8
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^really? I'm not trying to be a smartass, but how do we know that?

I don't see how this is much different from TB spacers...if I'm wrong, please explain.
OK, so maybe my statement was a bit of shameless V6P promotion. But for details about how it works, check out the website, they've got a pretty detailed site, with alot of actual information, not just marketing. But jiggerman's explanation is pretty much it.
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Old June 9th, 2005, 12:36 PM   #9
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yeah, I did some reading and it seems like these things get pretty good reviews from 3rd party peeps. Seems like a good mod, but I wonder how difficult the install is.
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Old June 9th, 2005, 01:16 PM   #10
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in theory is sounds great, but has anyone come across a link to a dyno with a baseline? i realize that this would be kinda hard to come across bc most people wouldnt pay for three runs just to see if their spacers gave them 0.5 or 1.0 whp ;D
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in theory is sounds great, but has anyone come across a link to a dyno with a baseline? i realize that this would be kinda hard to come across bc most people wouldnt pay for three runs just to see if their spacers gave them 0.5 or 1.0 whp ;D
You're right, most people wouldn't. That's where v6p tries to do for our members with our value business partners for various R&D need. Maurice (v6momoney) is getting a set for his 6gen, and if time permits, will be doing dyno to see any gain involved.
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Old June 9th, 2005, 01:54 PM   #12
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i'm looking to buy a set.
i was about to order one, but then i was dragged into meeting, so i did not place the order.
how soon it will be at V6P store?
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Old June 9th, 2005, 02:08 PM   #13
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how much will v6p sell a set for? and do u guys think itll be hard to install?
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Old June 9th, 2005, 02:17 PM   #14
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The install is not too hard. You take off the Intake manifold, insert new gasket, replace IM. Take off TB, insert new gasket, Replace TB.

The only problems some might have are squeezing the TB back into place if you have an aftermarket intake, or even more of a squeeze if you have the Helix TB Spacer.

My Thermoblock kit is sitting right next to me. i paid 101 shipped only cause i was impatient and i need more mods lol.

I will be doing an installation thread this weekend, when i install it. heck, maybe ill install it at the June 12th Meet lol.
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Old June 9th, 2005, 03:50 PM   #15
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i emailed them and they replied back and said that installation should take about 2 hrs. heres a link to a zip file of instructions.
http://www.outlawengineering.com/Ins...onda%20V-6.zip

if i get it...whos willing to install it for me, hehe i have dinero
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HAHAHA 2 hours!??? thats funny. i dont think it will take that long.

if you get it, me and rob are willing to do the install, heck, id be willing to do it by myself
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Old June 9th, 2005, 09:04 PM   #17
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hmm... so that rubber thing hookin up the V2 to the IM isnt good enough?
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Old June 9th, 2005, 11:41 PM   #18
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HAHAHA 2 hours!??? thats funny. i dont think it will take that long.

if you get it, me and rob are willing to do the install, heck, id be willing to do it by myself
i will pay u....if u can do it by urself, with one hand tied behind your back, AND while chewing bubble gum lol sorry, im watching the making the band skit on chappelle show
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OMG im soo tempted to order it...its just a few clicks away should i be the first guinea pig or should i wait
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OMG im soo tempted to order it...its just a few clicks away should i be the first guinea pig or should i wait
make sure u do a baseline before you become a guinea pig ;D hahah jk, but itd be great if u could take one for the team!

but somehow i doubt that these spacers would add more than 1 or 2 whp, but certainly not TEN, at ANY rpm.
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make sure u do a baseline before you become a guinea pig ;D hahah jk, but itd be great if u could take one for the team!

but somehow i doubt that these spacers would add more than 1 or 2 whp, but certainly not TEN, at ANY rpm.
buy ten sets if it gives noticable gains or better gas milage ill think about it then...
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Old June 10th, 2005, 09:12 AM   #22
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my intake manifold is definately cooler now after installing it.
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Old June 11th, 2005, 12:58 AM   #23
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i've got the hondata intake manifold gasket. it makes sense from a heat transfer standpoint, phenolic thermosets have VERY low thermal conductivities.

whereas before i couldn't even touch my intake plenum after hard driving in the winter, i can now lay my hand on it in the summer.
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anyone want a set of slightly used thermoblock spacers. less than 1000 miles old. $50. pm me if interested.
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Old June 12th, 2005, 05:53 AM   #25
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Hopefully, someone will prove me wrong, but here are my thoughts:

1. Say you have a 32F cooler intake manifold. The velocity of air traveling through the manifold is flowing fast enough that air temperature is minimally affected.
2. Anyone can show a dyno similar to the one shown on their website without doing any mods at all. Considering our cars put out 240hp, statistical variations in hp from run to run could vary as much as 6-9 hp. It would be nice if vendors would report multiple runs (some do), means and standard deviations from run to run. This would verify the reliability of their numbers, providing actual proof of the hp gain.
3. The manifold acts as a heatsink, distributing heat over a larger surface area. While outlaw claims that the additional heat on the block doesn't cause problems, we should be wary. If the intake manifold is 60 to 32F cooler, guess what, it's hotter somewhere else. The spacer is blocking the heat transfer, so the additional heat is staying on the block. Long term effects of additional heat on the block could be problematic - only time will tell.

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I'm no car/engine expert, but that looks like one of the silliest mods ive seen. Its QUESTIONABLE at best. For only $95 I'd be weary, someoene please prove me wrong.
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BBK has made these spacers for years for mustangs. unlike those beloved throttle body spacers, these are theoretically sound.

hang on while i do some heat transfer calculations on the air going thru the intake plenum

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If isolating the intake air from heat does nothing then why do race engines use a cold intake system. For that matter why use a CAI/COLD AIR INTAKE. I know some of the gains are from a less restrictive air flow path, but some of the gains ARE from a colder air charge which is denser. Also think about this, a turbocharged engine makes alot more power & is very much less prone to detonation if it has an intercooler, which cools the intake charge before it enters the engine. Even if the Thermoblock Spacers only add 5HP the cool intake charge may allow the computer to keep the timing cranked up more.

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Cooler temperatures will help the car run more smoothly and create a much more balanced powerband. at least, thats what they should do.

Sorry everyone, but with the meet and everything i didnt have time to install the spacers this weekend

ill do it this week sometime
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I noticed they aren't in the store. Are they doing maintenance or waiting for testing?
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