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Old July 12th, 2005, 08:43 AM   #1
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Ran against a TL - and it was FAST!

Coming home last night I was breaking through a hole in traffic when a new stock blue TL came bearing down on me at what seemed to be about 100, I droped a couple of gears and nailed it and pulled away...but not as fast as I expected too - that thing was fast! We then caught back up to traffic, when it opened up again he was ahead and he nailed it, I followed him this time and man that thing did pull. I guess I had this vision of a big heavy luxury car (my mistake). I checked Road&Track's Road Test Summery and the 0-60 / 0-100 and 1/4 mile times are almost identical. I just thought with my mods: Injen CAI, full mod exhaust with Comptech mufflers, light weight forged wheels and weight savings (-120lbs) that I would have a bit more advantage....he seemed awfully anxious to race.... maybe he was beta-testing one of the first new Comptech superchargers under the hood?....

Any one else run against a TL?

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Old July 12th, 2005, 08:51 AM   #2
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didnt run against one but chased an auto. i had to push myself (stock) to keep up with him.

the tl seems to pull effortlessly, while we need to thrash our cars.
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Old July 12th, 2005, 09:49 AM   #4
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No supercharger realeased on 3rd gen. TL yet. I'm sure was modded and good driver. With A-SPEC they run 14.2 if drivers knows what he's doing.

TL is heavy but dyno with 222whp/208wtq SAE Dynojet stock. And ECU might be more aggressive.

6MT dyno:

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and Accord V6 MT dyno:


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Old July 12th, 2005, 10:23 AM   #6
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[QUOTE=alt04]No supercharger realeased on 3rd gen. TL yet. I'm sure was modded and good driver. With A-SPEC they run 14.2 if drivers knows what he's doing.


Your right, the new charger is not out yet, but maybe he was beta-testing one of the first new Comptech superchargers under the hood?.... (edit above)

Has anyone a Accord chart off the same dyno? Those numbers seem very close to an Accord's dyno numbers...either the TL is over rated or, most likely, the Accord is under rated...also the TL is only about 100 lbs heaver then the V6 6speed coupe
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maybe testing but as far as i know they have issues with software on the sc kit.
regardless, TL has better ECU, more displacement and higher compression motor. I'm thinking its weight difference allows Accord run pretty much the same time as TL.
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Old July 12th, 2005, 10:47 AM   #8
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maybe testing but as far as i know they have issues with software on the sc kit.
regardless, TL has better ECU, more displacement and higher compression motor. I'm thinking its weight difference allows Accord run pretty much the same time as TL.
When you get the 06 SVT Cobra you'll probably be eatin' EVO's for lunch!
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When you get the 06 SVT Cobra you'll probably be eatin' EVO's for lunch!


Not sure maybe it's personal but I'll remove those stripes on the bottom, just not feeling it:


And guess what, word on the street - Ford underrates it's motor
Good drivers should take it to high 11s/ flat 12s in 1/4.
ENGINE
Type: supercharged and intercooled V-8, iron block and aluminum heads
Bore x stroke: 3.55 x 4.17 in, 90.2 x 105.8mm
Displacement: 330 cu in, 5409cc
Compression ratio: 8.4:1
Fuel-delivery system: port injection Supercharger Eaton R122, Roots type
Maximum boost pressure: 10.0 psi
Valve gear: chain-driven double overhead cams, 4 valves per cylinder, hydraulic lifters
Power (C/D est): 475 bhp @ 6000 rpm
Torque (C/D est): 450 lb-ft @ 3750 rpm
Redline: 6000 rpm

DRIVETRAIN
Transmission: 6-speed manual
Final-drive ratio: 3.31:1, limited slip

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I've ran a few TL's and they are fast, but I pull on them with no problem.
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Old July 12th, 2005, 11:22 AM   #11
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Not sure maybe it's personal but I'll remove those stripes on the bottom, just not feeling it:


And guess what, word on the street - Ford underrates it's motor
Good drivers should take it to high 11s/ flat 12s in 1/4.
ENGINE
Type: supercharged and intercooled V-8, iron block and aluminum heads
Bore x stroke: 3.55 x 4.17 in, 90.2 x 105.8mm
Displacement: 330 cu in, 5409cc
Compression ratio: 8.4:1
Fuel-delivery system: port injection Supercharger Eaton R122, Roots type
Maximum boost pressure: 10.0 psi
Valve gear: chain-driven double overhead cams, 4 valves per cylinder, hydraulic lifters
Power (C/D est): 475 bhp @ 6000 rpm
Torque (C/D est): 450 lb-ft @ 3750 rpm
Redline: 6000 rpm

DRIVETRAIN
Transmission: 6-speed manual
Final-drive ratio: 3.31:1, limited slip
I really dont like mustangs but i will say, The cobra is a mad beast of a car with those numbers!
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Old July 12th, 2005, 11:27 AM   #12
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I really dont like mustangs but i will say, The cobra is a mad beast of a car with those numbers!
First time convert . Always had Honda before.
With that low compression and iron block it will be not much and not hard to get 600-700whp
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Old July 12th, 2005, 11:27 AM   #13
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I've ran a few TL's and they are fast, but I pull on them with no problem.
Yea, but I thought I'd drop him like a bad habit!

That car is faster then I thought it should be...
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Old July 12th, 2005, 11:32 AM   #14
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I remember my buddy (good driver) were telling me when he ran G35 auto sedan upshifting and couldn't pass Pontiac G6 in light highway traffic . It was some weird sh#t.
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Old July 12th, 2005, 11:55 AM   #15
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Ran into one on my recent vacation up the Oregon coast. Dunno if it was an AT or MT model. I came up behind him stuck behind slow traffic. When we hit a passing lane, he punched it and pulled away slightly until I dowshifted to 4th and then I was able to keep up easy. I think he saw me and sped up even more to keep in front of me. I was in no mind to race so let him go and lose sight of him.

Then about 30 min later I catch up to him again stuck behind slow traffic. This time I said WTF and so in anticipation I downshift to 3rd ahead of time for the passing lane. We both jump out and pass the slower traffic. He gets back to the right lane and this time I press it and slowly pass him.

Passing lane merges and this time I'm in front. He sticks on my tail for several miles. Then we hit a long series of twisties and he couldn't keep up and I lose sight of him in my rear view.

Then the funny part was I get caught behind slow traffic (f**kin slow RV's) and he catches up to me. We didn't have a chance for round 3 though as I pulled off the road before another passing lane came up.
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Old July 12th, 2005, 02:16 PM   #16
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Ive raced an aspec before. took it with a good car length... he is a friend of mine and cant drive very well..


it all comes down to driver.....
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Old July 12th, 2005, 03:57 PM   #17
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Coming home last night I was breaking through a hole in traffic when a new stock blue TL came bearing down on me at what seemed to be about 100, I droped a couple of gears and nailed it and pulled away...but not as fast as I expected too - that thing was fast! We then caught back up to traffic, when it opened up again he was ahead and he nailed it, I followed him this time and man that thing did pull. I guess I had this vision of a big heavy luxury car (my mistake). I checked Road&Track's Road Test Summery and the 0-60 / 0-100 and 1/4 mile times are almost identical. I just thought with my mods: Injen CAI, full mod exhaust with Comptech mufflers, light weight forged wheels and weight savings (-120lbs) that I would have a bit more advantage....he seemed awfully anxious to race.... maybe he was beta-testing one of the first new Comptech superchargers under the hood?....

Any one else run against a TL?
Hey Brad, did it have a "Type S" decal on it? I know those decals are good for at least 50HP...
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Old July 14th, 2005, 08:51 AM   #18
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I got pix of the 2 cars on the same dyno

6speed and a TL (can't tell if its 6speed r not)

but i'll post the pix later

the #s off my head are

ACCORD
217hp /195tq

TL
222hp/208tq



Its the same dyno so the results should be accurate, not like a dynojet vs a mustang dyno etc...
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Old July 14th, 2005, 09:10 AM   #19
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Hi Slayer,

Those numbers are close to what I have been seeing also, if the TL is a 6 speed, that's only a 5 hp difference, not a 30hp difference Acura claims (270 hp vs. 240 hp for the Accord)

By the way, Congratulations on your new car - VERY HOT!
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Peak numbers are only one way of telling how powerful an engine is. A dyno sheet would help determine their true power.

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Old July 16th, 2005, 04:08 AM   #21
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Hi Slayer,

Those numbers are close to what I have been seeing also, if the TL is a 6 speed, that's only a 5 hp difference, not a 30hp difference Acura claims (270 hp vs. 240 hp for the Accord)

By the way, Congratulations on your new car - VERY HOT!
the hp slayer posted was to the wheel....the 240hp and 270hp honda advertise is to the fly. granted that 30hp to the fly should be about at least half its number to the wheel...5whp is still something tho
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Old July 18th, 2005, 10:30 PM   #22
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I'm an Auto V6 2003 and have run a few....not a big worry on the road for me, but perhaps I was lucky. I've run with one early on after getting my car and from a dead stop, niether of us broke more than a length apart until the other quit. He was more shocked than I was.

Your encounter was likely with someone with a 6spd looking to have fun.

I wish we had the 3.5L motor in our rides. I have that in my company vehicle and it is night and day with my accord off the line. It's an SUV so gearing up top sucks and it's limited to 100mph or so, but in town it will rip them off the line.

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he seemed awfully anxious to race.... maybe he was beta-testing one of the first new Comptech superchargers under the hood?....

Any one else run against a TL?
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how about the tl type-s??????? (w/ intake and exhaust?)
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Old July 19th, 2005, 12:15 AM   #24
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i just finished running an se-r altima they handle pretty good but i still took him.
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