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Old December 10th, 2003, 06:04 PM   #1
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Talking CL-S rear swaybar fits

My homework & gamble paid off - I received my CL-S rear swaybar today & it fits our 7th gens like a glove.

Only cost me $64.93 for all the parts.

1 ea 19mm bar # 52300-S3M-A01
2 ea 19mm bushings # 52306-S0E-015
2 ea brackets # 52308-S3M-A00

FYI, all the bends in the 19mm CL-S bar match our stock 14mm one. It's a perfect fit with no clearance or noise issues.

I definitely notice the difference. Steering response is more immediate. The car feels really neutral & is flatter on aggressive corners. Feels like the c.g. of the car is right under your seat. Even in normal driving, the car seems more solid.

The only other mod I've had for a few months is the 6spd front strut bar #74180-SDP-A00 which cost me $90.85.

I posted this as an option for those who don't want any high-dollar aftermarket stuff.

Personally, I just wanted a little upgrade from stock without sinking a lot of $ into it. I have no plans on lowering my car or going with larger rims. This is my daily driver & doubles as a "truck" with the occassional off-road excursion.

Hopefully this will help some of you out.
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how much $ would it be to install it
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Old December 10th, 2003, 06:20 PM   #3
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how much $ would it be to install it
Well, a dealer will rip you off. This a quick & easy mod with immediate results.
If you have the tools, do it yourself. It only took me 30 minutes.
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Simple question?

Question: How would this compare to the Neuspeed version aside from looks?
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Old December 10th, 2003, 07:08 PM   #5
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NICE!!!! i ordered the same stuff last saturday but it only cost me $54.93 at www.hondaautomotiveparts.com.


Thanks for the heads up last week on this topic. I hope that this mod is all it is said to be!!!

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Old December 10th, 2003, 07:08 PM   #6
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Question: How would this compare to the Neuspeed version aside from looks?
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Sticking to the rear bar install ONLY...

I don't think there is a difference. Both are solid 19mm bars. Neuspeed's may be a stiffer metal & has poly bushing - but the difference on the street will be so insignificant it's not worth it.

You can always put a NEUSPEED sticker on the CL-S bar & tell everyone you got ripped $179.95.
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Old December 10th, 2003, 07:26 PM   #7
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it only cost me $54.93 at www.hondaautomotiveparts.com
I got mine from the same place. They still need to add shipping.
My shipping was $10 - thus a total of $64.93.

You should like the results. I spent a week searching 6th gen forums about this - all I saw were positive posts.
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Old December 10th, 2003, 07:29 PM   #8
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I got mine from the same place. They still need to add shipping.
My shipping was $10 - thus a total of $64.93.

You should like the results. I spent a week searching 6th gen forums about this - all I saw were positive posts.
ah ic that now...thanks for the heads up
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what about the TL sway bar???? someone was supposed to test fit that too....
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Hi.. can any of you post a pic that has the sway installed? I greatly appreciate it.
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I dont see the parts you guys speak of on majestic honda?can you guys help me out?

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I dont see the parts you guys speak of on me majestic honda?can you guys help me out?
oppss... wrong site here is the acura one http://www.acuraautomotiveparts.org

go to the acura cl-s and go the rear lower arm u need #3,4,5

i will post pics when i install
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thx buddy good info!
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Old December 10th, 2003, 09:12 PM   #14
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can it be done on a sedan??
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Old December 10th, 2003, 09:12 PM   #15
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EXCELLENT THREAD

Newbie question,

since i have a sedan, am I supposed to get tl-s rear sway bar? instead of cl-s?

is v6 6sp strut tower compatible with 4dr?

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I have a 4 cylinder sedan, will something like this work??
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Old December 10th, 2003, 11:55 PM   #17
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I was checking out comptech's sway bars for for the CL-S.
http://www.imotorgear.com:80/product...d=26230600P011

300 something bucks! Are they way better than the stock? Are they bigger? Is it that they just use polyurethane bushings? What about shock absorbers and other suspension parts, would they fit the av6 7th gen coupe?
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what about the frpnt sway bar....if the both fit then we can just get the CL-S comptech sways for our 7th gen av6....
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I said a long time ago that the 7th gen's were interchangeable with "some" of the older suspension parts but no one else though it was possible. Well this just proves it

All trims of the 7th gen Accord have the same suspension layout so something like this will fit on every one of them.

You 7th gen people need to start buying those 2004 TL sways



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Old December 11th, 2003, 05:32 AM   #21
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Originally posted by chiggaraccord03 on December 10th, 2003 at 11:12 PM

since i have a sedan, am I supposed to get tl-s rear sway bar? instead of cl-s?

Yea, should the sedans use the cl-s bar or the tl-s bar??

I see 03accord03, who I think has a sedan, ordered the cl-s parts..... assuming his install goes fine, that would verify that it fits the sedan..... guess I'll wait and see..... unless anyone actually knows.
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Old December 11th, 2003, 06:36 AM   #22
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CL rear sway bar fits 7gen Accord-> CL rear sway bar fits 6gen Accord -> 6gen Accord aftermarket sway bar will fit 7gen Accord.

how you like that analogy.
now you need to find out if front one is swappable. if it is, you could have Comptech, Eibach, Neuspeed and Suspension Tech sway bars avalable right now.
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Old December 11th, 2003, 08:20 AM   #23
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FYI, it does not matter if you have a auto 2dr or 4dr - its all the same suspension.

From what I've read on the 6th gen sites, the TL-S bar fits also. I just got the CL-S bar because most people said it was an exact match - and it is.

I checked some undercar pics of the 04 TL on TOV & the rear bar looked different - it's bent down under the frame. Ours needs to be bent back around the frame. I don't think it will fit our 7th gen, but I may be wrong.

Also, for those of you who want 6th gen aftermarket rear bars thicker than 19mm - be prepared to have the rear end swing around on you. Unless you're drifting, don't want to get yourself in a situation you can't recover from. Bar thickness can reach a point that it's way too much overkill. But if you go bigger than a 19mm rear then you should get a bigger front bar also.

Word of caution on the front bar...

I am not 100% on this, but I think the 7th gen front bar is bent differently than previous years. Even Neuspeed has a different part # for the 7th gen.

Now it is possible that the 04 TL 6spd 27.2mm front bar may fit. I could not find any good 04 TL undercar pics of the front bar fo confirm.
Also, I can't find any 04 TL part lists online yet. But if it fits, it should be around the same price as the CL rear.

If you do plan on a front bar swap, be prepared for a pain in the a$$. Check out the install instructions on Neuspeeds site. This swap will take a couple hours for the average joe.

Personally, I'm sticking with just the rear bar - best bang for your buck.

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I was checking out comptech's sway bars for for the CL-S.
http://www.imotorgear.com:80/product...d=26230600P011

300 something bucks! Are they way better than the stock? Are they bigger? Is it that they just use polyurethane bushings? What about shock absorbers and other suspension parts, would they fit the av6 7th gen coupe?
looks like its 300 somthing for the front and rear...i think...

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SKU: 140-215 - Suspension and Brake - Sway Bars and Strut Bars - Comptech Swaybar Kit (front & rear) for 99-02 Acura TL 3.2, 98-02 Honda Accord 2D/4D, 01-03 Acura CL-S
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Old December 11th, 2003, 01:59 PM   #25
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Can someone give me a link right to the page with the 3 parts i need?cant seem to fine the part numbers you guys speak of.p.s. i only see cl on there site no sighn of cl-s.
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are you guys 1000% sure that aftermarket 6th gen sways will fit the 7th gen???
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Old December 11th, 2003, 03:02 PM   #27
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If you Look at the TSX front stabilizer picture on that site it looks exactly like the 7th gens except it about $30 more. Could I assume its bigger and better, and would fit?
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Sorry, n00b question, is this rear sway bar already equiped on all CL-TypeS? that is, are these the factory sways from Honda that comes w/ all Cl-TypeS? if yes, do these really help? or should we wait until aftermarket ones (assuming 6th gen aftermarket doesn't fit... of course its still under investigation ) Anyone could help thx so much!
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is this rear sway bar already equiped on all CL-TypeS? that is, are these the factory sways from Honda that comes w/ all Cl-TypeS? if yes, do these really help? or should we wait until aftermarket ones
the cls has the sway bar stock, they are from honda and the only difference is that the cls rear sway is 19mm in diameter and the accord one is 13mm on the v6 and 14mm on the i4. this mod should help a lot and once i install it i will let u know my opinion, but for now turbines has explained his opinion.

today i was looking through part #'s and i found that the tsx front sway is the same shape as the accords except it is 1.1mm larger in the diameter. (the front on the accord is 25.4mm and the tsx is 26.5mm)

here is a pic of the accords front lower arm:


the tsx lower arm:


i dont really know if the front makes much of a difference but this is my research and we now know the tsx front sway bar will probably fit perfectly and the cls/tls rear sway bar fits great and works great.

o....one more thing why would you want the 6th gen accords sway its smaller than the cls? and also the front sway is not the same on the 6th gen.
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Well I guess I screwed myself by posting earlier about too stiff a rear bar...

When cruising an off ramp in the rain today, I had the rear end swing around on me Luckily it was only about a 90 & I was able to recover without damage. I was doing ~50mph like I always have on this particular ramp. I've done it numerous times in both dry & wet with the stock set up & never had a problem.

After I cleaned by shorts, I decided to go on an empty road in the country & do some slalom tests. I could force the rear end to swing out on the wet pavement, obviously the faster I went the easier it was.

After the rain stopped & roads were dry I went out & did the same tests. On the dry pavement I had to really push it to swing the rear out, but it was possible. Recovery was quick, but still made me a little nervous.

My fear is that with only the CL-S rear bar an emergency lane change or jerk of the wheel can lead to disaster. The oversteer creating a rear end snap is a very real danger. Also, winter snow would only magnify the problem.

I'd assume this is why Honda (& others) have the stock set-up with some understeer. Gotta figure most people panic & let off the gas & they recover pointing the same way they entered the maneuver. Also note that the HFP kit retains the stock sways.

I checked out some stock & aftermarket front/rear bar size differences that are interesting...

AV6 2dr 25.4/14 ~ 11.4
TSX 26.5/14 ~ 12.5
04 TL 6 spd 27.2/20 ~ 7.2
04 TL auto 25.4/17 ~ 8.4
Civic Si 25.4/17 ~ 8.4
Neuspeed 27.2/19 ~ 8.2

7th gen with CL-S bar 25.4/19 ~ 6.4

It seems like the small 6.4mm difference may be too small???

I've swapped back to the old bar for more tests.
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