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Old May 19th, 2005, 10:36 AM   #1
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My dealers reply to HFP install questions.

This is the biggest crock of shiet ive ever read, someone please tell me that im not crazy in thinking this. God I hate my dealer.



From: Mark Fischer <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thu, 19 May 2005 11:10:27 -0500
Subject: HFP PACKAGE INSTALLATION


In response to your recent inquiry about your 04 LX 4dr with the installation
of a FP Coupe package.

There is no rear camber kit available for future fixes, also AHM does not
offer a kit for the 4dr Accord presenting a problem when trying to install a
Coupe kit on a 4dr. Part numbers for OE struts etc. are different for 4dr
than Coupes. At this time it would have to be said that the kit would not fit
and could possible void factory warranties if installed along with creating a
possible handling and safety problem for your car if installed. Huey's Honda
would have to respectfully decline any installation of said found kit.
Thank you for your
time and interest,


Mark Fischer
Parts Manager/Huey's Honda
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Old May 19th, 2005, 10:38 AM   #2
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and like dealers always do.....



.... they pooped on you.
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Old May 19th, 2005, 10:45 AM   #3
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So you're getting upset that they won't install parts that arent made for your car?
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Old May 19th, 2005, 10:51 AM   #4
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This is the biggest crock of shiet ive ever read, someone please tell me that im not crazy in thinking this. God I hate my dealer.



From: Mark Fischer <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thu, 19 May 2005 11:10:27 -0500
Subject: HFP PACKAGE INSTALLATION


In response to your recent inquiry about your 04 LX 4dr with the installation
of a FP Coupe package.

There is no rear camber kit available for future fixes, also AHM does not
offer a kit for the 4dr Accord presenting a problem when trying to install a
Coupe kit on a 4dr. Part numbers for OE struts etc. are different for 4dr
than Coupes. At this time it would have to be said that the kit would not fit
and could possible void factory warranties if installed along with creating a
possible handling and safety problem for your car if installed. Huey's Honda
would have to respectfully decline any installation of said found kit.
Thank you for your
time and interest,


Mark Fischer
Parts Manager/Huey's Honda
The dealer has to say no because they have to protect there own butts.. If they did install the kit and you get into an accident because of a fault kit who do you sue? You can't sue the Honda Corp USA. b/c it was not design for that car. Sue the Dealer for faulty install. THe dealer does not want to be sued of course.. and if they are going to be sued they prefer to be backup by Honda HQ.
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Old May 19th, 2005, 11:57 AM   #5
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This is the biggest crock of shiet ive ever read, someone please tell me that im not crazy in thinking this. God I hate my dealer.
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So you're getting upset that they won't install parts that arent made for your car?

I think you're crazy.
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Old May 19th, 2005, 12:09 PM   #6
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Old May 19th, 2005, 02:54 PM   #7
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So you're getting upset that they won't install parts that arent made for your car?


if its not designed for your car, they wont nor do they have any obligation to install it. if your car spins out and mows down a crowd of people because you have a coupe suspension on a sedan, they dont want you going after them saying they installed a wrong suspension. when you run a business you have to think about these things, especially in the sue-happy nation that is America. its too big of a liability risk.

if you want it, buy it and install it yourself. it will physically fit on a sedan, its been done before.
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Old May 19th, 2005, 04:20 PM   #8
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k, guess im wrong
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Old May 21st, 2005, 01:11 PM   #9
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k, guess im wrong
Don't give up yet...... look what I found.

If you go to most any site that sells the oem Honda accessories, they all pretty much use the same verbage to describe any one particular accessory. You know, whatever Honda has come up with for a description of that part. Well, for the HFP suspension, here is what they say: (cut & pasted from H and A's site..... note the 2nd line)




Honda Factory Performance Sport Suspension
For V6 Models only. 2 and 4 door.
High performance springs reduce ride height by about one-inch and lower the Accord's roll center.
High performance shock absorbers are tuned for enhanced road handling characteristics and decreased body roll.
Includes set of 4.
Not as great of a handling improvement on 6 speed models as they already have upgraded suspension from the factory.
Note: Not returnable for any reason. All sales final.
NOT for Hybrid (IMA) Model
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Old May 22nd, 2005, 01:31 AM   #10
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so im NOT crazy. TY. I'm still just gonna take it somewhere else. I figure i'll pay about a 100 anywhere i go.
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Old May 22nd, 2005, 01:35 AM   #11
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look into somthing else rather then HFP, tien, Eibach, H&R
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Old May 22nd, 2005, 01:46 AM   #12
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already got HFP, and its definately what im lookin for. I wasnt even gonna get a drop, but I decided on a subtle one.
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Old May 22nd, 2005, 02:06 AM   #13
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1. see if a diff honda dealer will do it
2. Order it off the net, get it installed somewhere else
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Old May 22nd, 2005, 02:24 AM   #14
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I'm not gonna reward Honda for anything. Theres probably 200 shops within 10 minutes of my house that wont rip me off as bad as them.
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Old May 22nd, 2005, 06:41 PM   #15
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Hey Kingof3rd input, I'm a fellow 7th gen sedan owner and it's good to find the ocassional few people who are interested in modding a sedan as much as me.

So have you figured out the HFP suspension? Does it need a rear camber kit? I noticed you were comparing between the Ingalls and the other one, but I don't recall seeing a final answer.

Also keep us updated on your other mods for the sedan!
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Old May 22nd, 2005, 08:43 PM   #16
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go with ingalls
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Old May 22nd, 2005, 09:29 PM   #17
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I'm going ingalls. I've heard only good things. AND IAPdirect(one of the v6p vendors) is offering them up for $129 shipped!! Cant beat that anywhere.
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Well I purchased the Honda Factory Performance Sport Suspension online and installed in my 4cyl sedan at a Honda Dealership. No problems. Nothing else needed then what was shipped. I love it.
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Old May 22nd, 2005, 10:26 PM   #19
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hmm, thanks askani, im gonna actually try other dealerships now. figured all the same BS. how much did you pay? no negative camber?
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Old May 23rd, 2005, 10:24 AM   #20
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so im NOT crazy. TY.
You knew you weren't.

And you're welcome.




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Well I purchased the Honda Factory Performance Sport Suspension online and installed in my 4cyl sedan at a Honda Dealership. No problems. Nothing else needed then what was shipped. I love it.
Did you get an alignment? What were your rear specs? Both before and after aligning.

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The on going question is: With the HFP suspension kit on Sedans (approx. 1 inch drop) do we need to get camber kit for the back, or can you align the back to spec with a normal alignment and nothing else.

Someone has to know, please inform all of us. Thanks in advance.
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Old May 23rd, 2005, 01:05 PM   #22
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With the HFP suspension kit on Sedans (approx. 1 inch drop) do we need to get camber kit for the backÖ..
There doesnít appear to be just a single yes-or-no answer to your question. Judging by what others have posted, varying results have been obtained. Some people have been within spec after installing the HFP, whereas others have definitely been out of spec, needing a camber kit to get back within spec. And there probably are others, like myself, that may not actually require one, but decide to get one anyway, since, imo, itís the ďrightĒ way to do things.

Iím dropped on HFP, and I have a very, very slight amount of camber in the rear. Itís not much at all and really isnít noticeable unless youíre specifically looking for it (itís that minor). Itís so slight that I wouldnít be surprised if it was still within spec actually. But whether itís in spec or not, Iíve elected to go ahead and get a camber kit and have it aligned after I install it. The Ingalls camber kit (the best one, btw) isnít very pricey, and I like the fact that the rear alignment settings will be able to be dialed in exactly, versus potentially just falling within tolerance. And it will allow adjustment in the future as parts wear, bushings loosen, etc. It will also let me get the wheels back to how they were stockÖ.. perfectly verticalÖ. which is how Iíd prefer them. That is more just a peace of mind thing for me, although Iím sure it canít hurt tire wear (and hopefully will help it!).

Fyi, the HFP drop on my LX-V6 sedan was right at 1-1/8Ē on all 4 corners.



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Ö.or can you align the back to spec with a normal alignment and nothing else.
Iím pretty sure there is no ďaligningĒ of the back without the addition of a camber kit. Where it ends up after your drop is where itís at..... no factory parts in the rear can be adjusted.

Iím not 100% sure of that, but Iím pretty sure thatís how it is. Can somebody else confirm?
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03LXV6Guy, do you have pictures of your drop? How do you like it? Way stiffer around corners? Do you recommend?

Thanks
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guys.. please remember camber is also related to not just the spring drop, but also how heavy your car is, what you put in there, etc... so I say, just install HFP, and if the wheel shop tells u u need camber kit to bring it into spec, then u do.. its simple as that..
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Good, simple plan of attack.

I just wanted to know if I am spending $550 for a 1 inch drop or $700. Also how it looks and drives. Worth the money??

I love to beat things to death, sorry.
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Good, simple plan of attack.

I just wanted to know if I am spending $550 for a 1 inch drop or $700. Also how it looks and drives. Worth the money??

I love to beat things to death, sorry.
i will say prepare for the worst.. $700..
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03LXV6Guy, do you have pictures of your drop? How do you like it? Way stiffer around corners? Do you recommend?

Thanks
I'll try to get some pics up later this week.

I love the drop.... ended up being exactly 1-1/8" on all 4 corners. Didn't affect the quality of the ride much at all, but made a world of difference in handling. Plus I appreciate the fact they were engineered by Honda themselves, specifically for our cars. Yea, I'd definately recommend it. If you want slammed though (not me!), go another route.
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Old May 23rd, 2005, 05:02 PM   #28
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Good, simple plan of attack.

I just wanted to know if I am spending $550 for a 1 inch drop or $700. Also how it looks and drives. Worth the money??

I love to beat things to death, sorry.

Dont pay $550. Check this out.

http://handaaccessories.com/accext03.html
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Dont pay $550. Check this out.

http://handaaccessories.com/accext03.html
Thanks for the link, This link is what I was talking about: After $450+tax and shipping to SOCAL is $505 then $50 or so for the install.
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Old May 23rd, 2005, 07:16 PM   #30
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Ahhhh, good choice then
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