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Old June 2nd, 2005, 12:31 PM   #1
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Good replacement tire?

Its about that time to replace my rubber and I have a question for my fellow 6-speeders. I'll be sticking with the stock 6-spd 17in wheels and would like to know what would be a good replacement tire. I am currently on my original set of Michelin Pilot HX. I live in MD(where we get all 4 seasons) so I definitely need an all-season tread but would like better sport/performance capability. Have any of you guys gone with something other the Michelin for the stock rims? Tirerack has that tire listed as grand touring all-season at $185 each. I'd like to stay around 2bills but would like to try something different and with better performace characteristics.

Any reccomendations?

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i'm a big hankook and michelin fan...so try those two and see what you can get...maybe stick with the michelins but go with a different model....IMO tirerack is the best way to figure out what ones are the best...just type in what your looking for and they will show you exactly what would fit your needs...we just got four yokohamas off there for our IS300 and we just typed in what we were looking for and we got a great set of tires and i think they were about 200 a piece...
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Oh boy, I am the exact opposite. I despise Michelin tires. Never liked a single one and I have had 4 different styles. From MXX to MXV's to Pilots. Hated all of them. Terrible dry handling, terrible wet handling. Don't know anything about Hankook though. I personally always go with Bridgestone. Unfortunately my favorite tires (RE-950) don't come in our size. I'm in the same boat, once my tires are done, the available sizes/choices for our car is limited.

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Don't go with the stock tire- they're awful.

I get all four seasons as well up here in WI, but I went with BFGoodrich GForce Sports anyway, I just plan on getting some winter tires as well. I was actually considering picking up a set of the EX-V6 rims and tires for the winter.
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Im still pitchin' the Yokohama Avid V4's. Quiet, smooth, grippy and are a year round tire.
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avon tech as 550s. best tire out there for the money and the overall level of grip offered. i got them. better than the avid v4s that i had before them
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Thanks for the input guys.... I guess I'll just check around some to see what is available in our size. I'll be sure to read rievews before I purchase so that I can get something that I'll be happy with for another 30+k miles. I definitely don't want to end up getting stuck with a sh*tty set of tires.
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i have the stock v6 wheels too and also in the market for some new tires. what about size, are you going with the same or getting something a little wider. maybe some 225's?
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Old June 2nd, 2005, 07:13 PM   #9
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I guess it just depends on what I can find. I wouldn't mind having a little wider footprint and it would also help protect the wheel some. I'm bad about hitting curbs LOL I dunno though, is it recommended to step up to 225's. if they'll fit well, then that may be an option. With the 225's, do you stick with 50 series or would that change by 5? I'd like to maintain the same overall dia.
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225/45 is the closest you'll get (which is what I have)- you're off by ~2% to the low side. So when your spedo says 60 you're really going 58.5 or something.

This should help- you can calculate yourself: http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html
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Yea, but if you get a 45mm tire on stock suspension, that's going to widen your wheel gap by another 5 mm's. I know that doesn't sound like much, but its still a difference considering our wheel gap is enourmous as is.
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Yea, but if you get a 45mm tire on stock suspension, that's going to widen your wheel gap by another 5 mm's.


The 45 number is the aspect ratio...... it's not a millimeter measurement.
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225/45 is the closest you'll get (which is what I have)- you're off by ~2% to the low side. So when your spedo says 60 you're really going 58.5 or something.
That may actually be a good thing.... when you get caught speeding you won't be going as fast as you thought you were


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The 45 number is the aspect ratio...... it's not a millimeter measurement.
That's what I though, isn't it a percentage of the width....

Would you really notice the change wheel gap with the 45??? I can't imagine that it would stand out that much. More importantly, would the 225 width make an improvement with handling and traction? Are there more/better tire choices in the 225/45 size?

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This should help- you can calculate yourself: http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html
THANKS for the link!
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The 45 number is the aspect ratio...... it's not a millimeter measurement.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but a 215/45/17 tire goes like this

215mm wide tire
45mm tall tire
17 inch diameter wheel

So a reduction in 5mm in terms of how tall the tire is would lead to another 5mm in terms of wheel gap. Feel free to correct me if I have misconceptions.

But that's why when you get a drop, most go with a 235/40/17 tire to to get a smaller sidewall and a stiffer sidewall as well. Plus, it tucks in neater because its not up in the fender.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but a 215/45/17 tire goes like this

215mm wide tire
45mm tall tire
17 inch diameter wheel

So a reduction in 5mm in terms of how tall the tire is would lead to another 5mm in terms of wheel gap. Feel free to correct me if I have misconceptions.

But that's why when you get a drop, most go with a 235/40/17 tire to to get a smaller sidewall and a stiffer sidewall as well. Plus, it tucks in neater because its not up in the fender.

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215mm = tire width
45 = aspect ratio, side wall height = 215mm x .45 = 96.75mm
total tire height = 2 x 215x.45 + rim diameter

So, 215x.45 = 96.75mm = side wall height. Therefore your entire wheel from ground to top (unloaded of course) = 2x96.75 convert to english = 7.62 inches + 17 inch rim. Wheel height = 24.62"

Going to a 225/50R17 would result in a tire 25.85" tall, your gap would DECREASE by .6" but your ground clearance would increase .6" as well, making your car taller (theoretically, but the tire will crush alot at the bottom, so you would hardly notice the new ride height) and your rpms would be off as well. 819revs/mile for the stock tire, 780 revs/mile for the larger tire. Although the tire is rotating less, your speedometer will show you as going slower than you actually are. 60mph and you would actually be traveling at 63.

Going with a 225/45R17, don't know if it will fit on a 7" wide rim, but your gap would decrease .17".
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225/45R17 will fit on 7" rim cause that's what I'm riding on now (my Sparcos are 7" width). I found there was a lot more choices in the 225/45R17 size than the stock 215/50R17 size.
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Nice explanation Jinx32 I'm really gettin alot out of this thread!

What is the stock tire on the HFP 17" rim? Doesn't that package come with a performance tire? Could I use those on my six speed wheels.... or is the HFP rim wider?

Hey, ScottSI, do you have a pic of your setup with the 225/45-17 setup?

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avon tech as 550s. best tire out there for the money and the overall level of grip offered. i got them. better than the avid v4s that i had before them

Thats what everyone sais. Someday will get some Avon 550's
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No.
215mm = tire width
45 = aspect ratio, side wall height = 215mm x .45 = 96.75mm
total tire height = 2 x 215x.45 + rim diameter

So, 215x.45 = 96.75mm = side wall height. Therefore your entire wheel from ground to top (unloaded of course) = 2x96.75 convert to english = 7.62 inches + 17 inch rim. Wheel height = 24.62"

Going to a 225/50R17 would result in a tire 25.85" tall, your gap would DECREASE by .6" but your ground clearance would increase .6" as well, making your car taller (theoretically, but the tire will crush alot at the bottom, so you would hardly notice the new ride height) and your rpms would be off as well. 819revs/mile for the stock tire, 780 revs/mile for the larger tire. Although the tire is rotating less, your speedometer will show you as going slower than you actually are. 60mph and you would actually be traveling at 63.

Going with a 225/45R17, don't know if it will fit on a 7" wide rim, but your gap would decrease .17".
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Your math explanation is appreciated, but the stock 6-speed are 215/50R17, with an overall diameter of 25.5"

According to the miata tire calc going to 225/45R17 would result in a 25.0" overall diameter, or about 1/4" more fender gap.


Tire Rack lists varying overall diameters for the same size tire depending on make and model, I am not sure how accurate Tire Rack's measurements are or where they get them.

I have seen Pirelli PZero Nero M+S recommended for mostly dry/wet with occasional snow capabilities. They come in 225/45R17 but NOT 215/50R17. Tire Rack lists them as having 25.2" overall diameter


I am also looking for tires to fit 17x7 wheels. Tire weight is another factor I am considering in my search. So many options and opinions...
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Your math explanation is appreciated, but the stock 6-speed are 215/50R17, with an overall diameter of 25.5"
oops. Yep, you're right. Calcs still work though.

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I got the Avon Tech M550 A/S put on my car today. They are 225/50ZR/17 on 17x7 TSW Catalunya Hyperblacks with 42 offset.

Initial driving impressions...tires are quiet and sticky. I'm pretty impressed with them so far and these tires were only $117 each from Tire Rack. I had them drop shipped to Big O Tires in Chula Vista and were installed for $62 total. Total cost out of pocket: $574.

I did notice the rear passenger side rubbing when I had me and 2 passengers in the car. I am surprised by the rubbing because the Kumho KH11 225/50/17 that I replaced did not rub with passengers in the back seat. I'm assuming that although they are the same size...the Avons must be a few millimeters wider. The rears do not rub with just one passenger. Hmmmm...I may have to roll the rear fenders because I drive a lot with passengers in the back seat.

for the Avons. I'm getting my car dyno'd on Saturday so I'll get to check out these tires on the hiway (the dyno shop is about 20 miles away) since I didn't get a chance to that today.

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I got the Avon Tech M550 A/S put on my car today. They are 225/50ZR/17 on 17x7 TSW Catalunya Hyperblacks with 42 offset.

I did notice the rear passenger side rubbing when I had me and 2 passengers in the car. I am surprised by the rubbing because the Kumho KH11 225/50/17 that I replaced did not rub with passengers in the back seat. I'm assuming that although they are the same size...the Avons must be a few millimeters wider. The rears do not rub with just one passenger. Hmmmm...I may have to roll the rear fenders because I drive a lot with passengers in the back seat.
Should you have gone with the 45's....? Rubbing is bad
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Nah...I like how the 225/50ZR/17s look on my car. I went to Pann Auto Performance Shop in Kearny Mesa and got them to cut the lip inside the rear wheel wells. No more rubbing!

The Avon Techs "feel meaty"...I can definitely tell that they are heavier than the Kumho KH11's. The Avons are very quiet on the freeway. I had a chance to cruise around town today to get used to these new tires and I'm still very impressed with them. They are sticky, meaty, heavy, and quiet. I like them alot!










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Its about that time to replace my rubber and I have a question for my fellow 6-speeders. I'll be sticking with the stock 6-spd 17in wheels and would like to know what would be a good replacement tire. I am currently on my original set of Michelin Pilot HX. I live in MD(where we get all 4 seasons) so I definitely need an all-season tread but would like better sport/performance capability. Have any of you guys gone with something other the Michelin for the stock rims? Tirerack has that tire listed as grand touring all-season at $185 each. I'd like to stay around 2bills but would like to try something different and with better performace characteristics.

Any reccomendations?

Thanks in Advance!
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If your still looking for what size fits well on the 17X7 stock wheels, you should visit: http://www.rims-n-tires.com/info_specs.jsp. You will find that a 225/50/17 on your stock 7" wide tires will be within in 1.5% the same size as stock, which equates to 60.9 MPH at an indicated 60 MPH - assuming the stock wheel, tire and speedo combination were certified. In reality, most manufacturers (Honda included) engineer in a higher than actual indicated speed. Why? Who knows, I once read that it was to reduce traffic violations. Could they really be that altruistic? German cars seem to use the highest differential.

Any way, it's a great site to play around with.

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Its about that time to replace my rubber and I have a question for my fellow 6-speeders. I'll be sticking with the stock 6-spd 17in wheels and would like to know what would be a good replacement tire. I am currently on my original set of Michelin Pilot HX. I live in MD(where we get all 4 seasons) so I definitely need an all-season tread but would like better sport/performance capability. Have any of you guys gone with something other the Michelin for the stock rims? Tirerack has that tire listed as grand touring all-season at $185 each. I'd like to stay around 2bills but would like to try something different and with better performace characteristics.

Any reccomendations?

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I recently had to replace my stock Bridgestones. I did a lot of research and at the time I was also working at my uncle's tire retail store, so I got a very good deal
IMO, the best stock replacement tire is the Bridgestone LS-V ( or you can get H's or Z's, w/e your needs are). I was skeptical at first but my uncle said he had a set on his wife's (at the time) Acura RL and he wouldn't have anything else.
I've got about 16,000 on the LS-Vs so far (yeah, i drive a lot) and they are wonderful. Can't go wrong with them!
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Here's some more stuff for you to think about.

Just got an email from Tire Rack regarding their most recent Tire Survey Results. Here they are:

Top 3 Tires in Ultra High Performance Summer Category

1. BFGoodrich g-Force T/A KDW-2: Average score of 8.5
2. AVON Tech M500: Average score of 8.4
3. Bridgestone Potenza RE750: Average score of 8.4

Top 3 Tires in Ultra High Performance All-Season Category

1. AVON Tech M550 A/S: Average score of 8.7 <-------
2. Pirelli PZero Nero M&S: Average score of 8.7
3. Michelin Pilot Sport A/S: Average score of 8.4

Top 3 Tires in High Performance All-Season Category

1. Yokohama Avid V4S: Average score of 8.4
2. BFGoodrich Traction T/A H: Average score of 8.4
3. Yokohama Avid H4S: Average score of 8.3
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hahah ok yes the avons rule, they are ridiculous great tires. they are heavy though. approx 2-4 lbs heavier than kumhos and on par with the yokos. tirerack has all the weight specs you need.

the reason why the avons are heavier are because they have a stiffer sidewall which prevents flex and therefore they need more rubber.

i drove them through puddles of water and damn do they resist hydroplaning, and damn do they grip well even in wet conditions, its like whoaaa buddy outside tire has just as much grip as inside tire..oh dear torque steer...

haha great tires. comfortable, quiet, responsive, grippy and great in dry, wet and snow. not sure about ice.

but damn them for being 2lbs too heavy
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