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Old September 26th, 2007, 10:48 AM   #1
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Springs Vs. Coilovers

Though obviously different methods, would anyone recommend getting springs over coilovers?

I'm not very knowledgable about either so what is everyones opinion about this?

ride quality? price over value? etc...
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Springs only setup, i would only recommend Eibach Prokit and Tein H-Tech. Nothing else. The other sets drop the car too low, and you will need to get shocks in conjunction. while the previous 2 listed are fine working on its own. Springs only setup does not give adjustability, agressive drop. But it's much cheaper, and for me, it's better for my daily driving style. I can't go too low in my area.

Coil overs are more expensive, much more expensive. But it gives you adjustability on heigh, damper, and gives you the drop you want.
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Springs only setup, i would only recommend Eibach Prokit and Tein H-Tech. Nothing else. The other sets drop the car too low, and you will need to get shocks in conjunction. while the previous 2 listed are fine working on its own. Springs only setup does not give adjustability, agressive drop. But it's much cheaper, and for me, it's better for my daily driving style. I can't go too low in my area.

Coil overs are more expensive, much more expensive. But it gives you adjustability on heigh, damper, and gives you the drop you want.
thanks for the info, what kind of springs do you use?
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Old September 26th, 2007, 12:57 PM   #4
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get eibach pro kit. it rides like stock.
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Old September 26th, 2007, 01:30 PM   #5
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I have eibach pro kit, with stock shocks. It was a 150 dollar lowering setup. I've been using it since 2003, and it's holding up perfectly right now.

I had Tein SS in 2002, but it blew after 1 year, and after that, i didn't have a use of coil overs, since i didn't really need to go that low, nor need the adjust ability. So I went just the spring route @ 150 bucks vs coil overs around 900 bucks or so. I'm sure you can get coilovers for much cheaper now days, but it's still a bit more expensive.

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Old September 26th, 2007, 04:06 PM   #6
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I have eibach pro kit, with stock shocks. It was a 150 dollar lowering setup. I've been using it since 2003, and it's holding up perfectly right now.

I had Tein SS in 2002, but it blew after 1 year, and after that, i didn't have a use of coil overs, since i didn't really need to go that low, nor need the adjust ability. So I went just the spring route @ 150 bucks vs coil overs around 900 bucks or so. I'm sure you can get coilovers for much cheaper now days, but it's still a bit more expensive.
yeah i have the same situation... how much lower than stock are we actually talking about?
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oh i actually found it on ebay...

Lowering Range:

Front: 1.3 in
Rear: 1.2 in
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Springs only setup, i would only recommend Eibach Prokit and Tein H-Tech. Nothing else. The other sets drop the car too low, and you will need to get shocks in conjunction. while the previous 2 listed are fine working on its own. Springs only setup does not give adjustability, agressive drop. But it's much cheaper, and for me, it's better for my daily driving style. I can't go too low in my area.

Coil overs are more expensive, much more expensive. But it gives you adjustability on heigh, damper, and gives you the drop you want.
H&R Springs www.tirerack.com.. 1.5F 1.3R .. its just a hint less then the eibach..
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I have Comptech sport springs, Koni shocks, Comptech rear sway bar, SPC rear camber adjuster as my lowering setup. I've had this setup since early 2004 and have had no problems. The ride is firm on rough roads but perfect on smooth roads. My shoes are 225/40/18 on 18x7.5 48et wheels.

I've thought about spending the money and upgrading to Tein coilovers but I'm happy with my current setup.

I would like to drive a car with a coilover setup to find out if I'm really missing anything.

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Old September 28th, 2007, 04:37 PM   #10
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lookin good man, that's about as low as i'm lookin to go.
i was looking at my car today and it looked like a 4x4... i was walking uphill to where my car was parked and i could see the car behind my car by just looking under it... that's disappointing hah.
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Old September 28th, 2007, 10:59 PM   #11
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i have the tein coilover set up, i'm sittin very low, but i love it. i had tein springs and was satisfied with the ride but wanted to be lower so i switched to the coilovers, i have tein basic damper set...lovin it so far
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so if i get the eibach pro kit would i need anything else to lower my car? shocks/struts/camber kit, etc. like thread starter, im not lookin to drop the **** out of my ride, but i hate the 4x4 look.
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Old October 8th, 2007, 04:49 PM   #13
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If you don't want to upgrade the shocks, you only need the springs alone. Don't worry about camber. As long as you get the car aligned and the toe settings corrected, you're golden.

Of course, IMO, lowering a car without upgrading the shocks won't give you better handling. You'll only get lowered look.
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If you don't want to upgrade the shocks, you only need the springs alone. Don't worry about camber. As long as you get the car aligned and the toe settings corrected, you're golden.

Of course, IMO, lowering a car without upgrading the shocks won't give you better handling. You'll only get lowered look.
actually the higher spring rate my h&r race springs gave me helped me alot on handling.

with my stock shocks, i took 45 mph ramps at 90-95 mph fine and when i got my koni yellows, at softest settings i could do at most 85 mph.

the tires of course make a big difference



to OP: if you want to get rid of the 4x4 look and looking to spend under $400, go for springs/shocks setup

if you want adjustable height, dampening and most likely better handling, go with coilovers - you'll be looking to spend $700-$1000 on that.
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Old October 8th, 2007, 05:36 PM   #15
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so i had a question...i have the hfp suspension added on, from the dealer, when i bought the car...and if i wanted better handling i would have to just change the shocks? but if i change just the shocks would my ride height change? or is that solely controlled by the springs?
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Higher speed which you take a certain turn at doesn't translate to better handling. Of course, it's all up to each one of you.

But damper and spring are pure physics, plain and simple. If you compress a spring, without damper, the spring will oscilate indefinitely when you release it. The stiffer the spring, the stronger its forces to continue oscilate.

Damper's function is to damp the spring's force to oscilate. In short, damper's function is to control the spring's forces. The damper will also have to work harder to control stiffer spring's forces.

Now take a look at your stock shocks/dampers. They are designed with lighter stock spring rates. They work very well with the stock springs, because they were engineered together.

Now you replace the springs with lowering springs which have higher to much higher spring rates. What happens with the dampers? They can no longer do a good job at damping your spring's forces. The higher the spring rate, the worse the overall suspension performance if you keep the stock shocks.

If you have mild lowering springs, like Prokits, HTechs, H&R Sports, stock shocks might still be acceptable.

But if you run H&R or Neuspeed Race, Tein STech, Eibach Sportline, or the like, your suspension actually performs worse than at stock height. This is why the spring manufacturers always recommend aftermarket shocks for these springs.

Most shocks also work optimally at a certain length range. If you lower your car so much, the stock shocks are out of this optimal range. It means, they won't perform as well as when they're at stock length.

stupidaznmunkey, you feel that your car handles better than stock, because you are riding on your bumpstops. When you take a corner, your suspension is at full compression and has nowhere else to go. That's why you feel your car is very firm and well planted. The real test is when you hit a bump mid corner. I guarantee you, at 90 mph, your car will snap into oversteer and lose composure. Don't ask me how I know.

Again, it's all up to you, but springs and shocks work according to the laws of physics and there's no way to cheat it.
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so i had a question...i have the hfp suspension added on, from the dealer, when i bought the car...and if i wanted better handling i would have to just change the shocks? but if i change just the shocks would my ride height change? or is that solely controlled by the springs?
If you want to improve your handling, get good aftermarket dampers like Koni Sport/SP3.

Ride height is solely determined by the springs, unless you have height adjustable shocks like Koni Sport/SP3.
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Ok, so i'm planning on getting the eibach pro kit. This will allow me to have the same ride near stock correct? Also, this won't improve my handling at all? But at the same time it won't make it worse? Is this correct?
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Ride quality will be near stock, correct.

Just IMO, as long as you never get too close to the car's limit, you're OK. Accord's stock shocks are pretty weak. Your ride quality will be soft, but you also can't make emergency manouver as safe as before, when the car's stock.

IMO, if you can't afford aftermarket shocks, don't lower your car.
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Ride quality will be near stock, correct.

Just IMO, as long as you never get too close to the car's limit, you're OK. Accord's stock shocks are pretty weak. Your ride quality will be soft, but you also can't make emergency manouver as safe as before, when the car's stock.

IMO, if you can't afford aftermarket shocks, don't lower your car.

my cars at 100k and a mechanic quoted me 1,200 dollars for 2 shocks on my car, this including installation. Does this seem right to anyone?!?!

Also, say if I lowered with no supporting shocks, and I did drive on turns aggressive. What would happen?
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Well, first thing first.

100k miles shocks are usually done. Most Honda shocks last only about 80-100k miles. After that, they just can't handle the stock springs, let alone lowered springs.

Second, $1200 for 2 shocks is just highway robbery. Let's see, Koni Sport or SP3 cost about $600 out the door. I usually charge $120 to install shocks and/or springs. It means $720 installed, with pricey Koni shocks.

Agressive driving on dead shocks, even at stock height, is just plain dangerous. Your car could lose traction when you need it most, emergency manouvers at freeway speed and during braking.
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stupidaznmunkey, you feel that your car handles better than stock, because you are riding on your bumpstops. When you take a corner, your suspension is at full compression and has nowhere else to go. That's why you feel your car is very firm and well planted. The real test is when you hit a bump mid corner. I guarantee you, at 90 mph, your car will snap into oversteer and lose composure. Don't ask me how I know.

Again, it's all up to you, but springs and shocks work according to the laws of physics and there's no way to cheat it.
yeah of course i was on my bumpstops! my shocks were so blown by the time i took em out that the bumpstops were already split and raped to the max from having my springs/shocks compressed fully.

thats why i also dont recommend (for those who have coilovers) to drive with their suspension at full stiff - at least not take corners since the roads are not like tracks which are smooth, but have bumps. i dont ask kuz i know too

oversteer almost owned me...
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Well, first thing first.

100k miles shocks are usually done. Most Honda shocks last only about 80-100k miles. After that, they just can't handle the stock springs, let alone lowered springs.

Second, $1200 for 2 shocks is just highway robbery. Let's see, Koni Sport or SP3 cost about $600 out the door. I usually charge $120 to install shocks and/or springs. It means $720 installed, with pricey Koni shocks.

Agressive driving on dead shocks, even at stock height, is just plain dangerous. Your car could lose traction when you need it most, emergency manouvers at freeway speed and during braking.
ok so I can get 1200 for all 4 oem shocks including installation. Are these shocks going to be able to hold up with my eibach pro kit if I do get them, and be able to drive aggressive corners as well? Sorry about all the noob questions. Thanks in advance.
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Dude, just get Koni Sport or SP3. The stock shocks aren't gonna work too well with your Eibach.

Koni shocks are about $600. Have a shop that's familiar with Hondas install them and you'll spend way less than $1200.
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my cars at 100k and a mechanic quoted me 1,200 dollars for 2 shocks on my car, this including installation. Does this seem right to anyone?!?!

Also, say if I lowered with no supporting shocks, and I did drive on turns aggressive. What would happen?
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If you can afford coilovers, they're worth the money
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Old October 15th, 2007, 09:39 PM   #27
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well i'm set on coilovers...

now the real question is
Tein Basics or tein ss?
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well i'm set on coilovers...

now the real question is
Tein Basics or tein ss?
I had Tein Basic on my 05 TL before and I removed them after only 3000 miles. They were real stiff and made my car rattle like crazy. The ride quality was so stiff I didn't want to drive it anymore.

Now Tein SS has adjustable damping, but it still has the same springs as the Basic does. You probably can soften it a little, but it's still going to be very firm.

If you're not going to track your car, IMO adjustable coilovers will be too stiff.

You might want to try riding in a car with Tein and drive it at some rough roads. If the stiffness is OK for you, then you might be OK with them.
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If you can afford coilovers, they're worth the money
Coilovers and lowering springs/shocks are generally geared towards different purpose. Coilovers usually have really high spring rates and this in turn will make the ride quality very stiff. Sometimes too stiff for non-track use.

Springs and shocks are generally intended for more comfortable ride and more suitable for street use because of the lower and progressive spring rates.

There's a reason, too, that Tein claims most if not all their coilovers are for "off-road" use only.
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Just got the Eibach Pro kit for my ride yesterday and i love it so far!! Parts and install $350. i plan on getting Koni shocks soon.

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