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Old May 25th, 2008, 12:23 PM   #1
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3.5 ?

Can someone tell me from what car our 3.5 engine come from ? ( TL , RIDGELINE etc .)
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Old May 25th, 2008, 01:46 PM   #2
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The TL has the 3.2. The new TL-S has the 3.5, just like the Accord. But am almost certain the 3.5 is just the 3.2 bored (and/or stroked) out. Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong.

The 3.5 engine first appeared on the MDX, which debuted in 2001 (but now is 3.7). Next was the Pilot, and then the Ridgeline. So I'd say it's pretty much tried and true. It has varied in power from 240 to the current 268 on the Accord. What tuning changes have been made? I don't know.

I just wished it was a DOHC with chain-driven cams and hydraulic valve lash adjusters, but at least it's smoother than Nissan's... but with significantly less power than the 3.5VQ at 306 hp. I can live with it since I'll never see the mileage required to change belts and adjust valves. Good day.
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As far as I know the 8 gen uses the J35Z_ designation, Z2 for A/T (VCM) and Z3 for M/T (no VCM)
If anything this would be an Odyssey variant since that is a J35Z1 (VCM)
The J35 in the TL-S, Pilot, MDX etc.. don't have VCM and therefore are J35A_
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2WD Pilots do have VCM, although it's a different engine. There's a bunch of different variations of the 3.5L engine now. Some tuned for better torque, some tuned for all top-end, some in the middle, with VCM and without, etc. And the 3.5L goes all the way back to the 1999 Odyssey where it made a whole 210hp on regular gas.
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Old May 26th, 2008, 08:09 AM   #5
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Not one person mention the RL... there seems to be some speculation that the RL cam will drop in for 290-300HP
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Old May 26th, 2008, 11:35 AM   #6
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There's a bunch of different variations of the 3.5L engine now.
No $hit. I forgot about the Odyssey, and the RL. It should be a very reliable engine by now... at least without VCM. Good day gang.
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there are a total of 8 J35 designated motors. All are SOHC configurations. POwer ranged from 210 hp in the J35A1 (early Odessey's) to 290 hp in the J35A3 (RL). TL-S is the J35A8, ours is the J35Z3.
I would guess that the J35Z3 would be easily tunable for more naturally aspirated hp.
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there are a total of 8 J35 designated motors. All are SOHC configurations. POwer ranged from 210 hp in the J35A1 (early Odessey's) to 290 hp in the J35A3 (RL). TL-S is the J35A8, ours is the J35Z3.
I would guess that the J35Z3 would be easily tunable for more naturally aspirated hp.
Interesting info; thanks for sharing it.

My question is why is the 6MT is using a variation of the VCM engine (Z series) vs using an A series? Or maybe it's just exactly an A series engine but was slapped as a Z3? Inquiring minds want to know. My GTO has a block that was at one time used for VCM (cylinder deactivation, in GM's parlance), and caused a lot of problems on the LS1 engine.
I threw that because just read the TSB thread about J35Zx engines needing repair due to knock and ticking at idle. I said these engines were 'tried and true' too soon, huh? Guess this throws the possibility I mentioned above of the 6MT being an 'A series' engine out the window. Take care all.
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my other car is an Odyssey with the 3.5 @ 251hp
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Not one person mention the RL... there seems to be some speculation that the RL cam will drop in for 290-300HP
yea, can we drop in the rl camshaft just like the tl-s into the 7g?
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oh oh.. my ears just went up and im interested! lol hmm 290-300 hp? i likee
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it comes from the TL I think (type-s)
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Not one person mention the RL... there seems to be some speculation that the RL cam will drop in for 290-300HP
where did you get this info?..
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I guarantee you there's more to the RL's 290hp than just cams.
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Interesting info; thanks for sharing it.

My question is why is the 6MT is using a variation of the VCM engine (Z series) vs using an A series? Or maybe it's just exactly an A series engine but was slapped as a Z3? Inquiring minds want to know. My GTO has a block that was at one time used for VCM (cylinder deactivation, in GM's parlance), and caused a lot of problems on the LS1 engine.
I threw that because just read the TSB thread about J35Zx engines needing repair due to knock and ticking at idle. I said these engines were 'tried and true' too soon, huh? Guess this throws the possibility I mentioned above of the 6MT being an 'A series' engine out the window. Take care all.
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You're looking too hard for perfection and then keep finding that it doesn't exist. I'm pretty bad, but you're even worse than I am! So because the Accord 6MT's engine is "related to" some other engine that might have had a TSB for some oddball repair that was needed on a miniscule number of engines that I've never even heard of, so now this engine will have "problems" or is "flawed" somehow too? Sheesh.
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You're looking too hard for perfection
WRONG!!! I was looking for freaking facts, and nobody could post them. All I heard was the same BS: 'no big deal'. Well, I like to make that determination myself.

Now I can also say it's not a big deal, since I'd do the repair myself if afflicted. What a difference facts make. Below is a link with 2 TBSs afflicting the 6MT. First is the engine, which affects all Gen8 V6s. The 2nd affects ALL 6MTs. New 6MTs being built are still included in the first, but not the 2nd. Hope this helps somebody.

http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/sh...79&postcount=2

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please... I left drive-accord because of the arsehole effect. they get twice or three times the traffic we get here, but the place is filled with trolls like you JC... you dont even OWN a car as yet, please go back from which you came.

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Steve, I am sure there may be more to 290 in the rl than a simple cam swap, fuel curves and timing issues for example, but the fact remain that the two engines are very related and knowing how HONDA does things it would NOT surprise me to know that the cam WILL in fact drop in... again speculation, but and educated guess none the less and the odds in my opinion are more likely than less likely. I usually am at the pointy end of the spear than 99.9% of the scensters, so I am sure it will be up to me to try this out.
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WRONG!!! I was looking for freaking facts, and nobody could post them. All I heard was the same BS: 'no big deal'. Well, I like to make that determination myself.

Now I can also say it's not a big deal, since I'd do the repair myself if afflicted. What a difference facts make. Below is a link with 2 TBSs afflicting the 6MT. First is the engine, which affects all Gen8 V6s. The 2nd affects ALL 6MTs. New 6MTs being built are still included in the first, but not the 2nd. Hope this helps somebody.

http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/sh...79&postcount=2

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OH MY GOD BRO! YOU FOUND A POTENTIAL FLAW WITH YOUR CAR THAT'S COVERED BY A TSB! YOU'D BETTER SELL IT NOW!

Wait, that's right, you don't even have your car yet!

What difference does it make if it's a Z or A sub-series when both of them are affected with the same issue. And just because a TSB points out a certain range of vehicles, does that mean it'll occur on "ALL" of those vehicles and that "ALL" of them will need repair? No. Sounds like they identified a lot of parts that may not have been holding spec tolerances properly and that some cars in that range "MAY" need repair. Note "may" need, not "will" need.

The 6MT issues have been with Honda for a long long time.

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I threw that because just read the TSB thread about J35Zx engines needing repair due to knock and ticking at idle. I said these engines were 'tried and true' too soon, huh?
This is simply absurd. The J-series engines have been around for nearly 10 years now. What really goes wrong with them? In the grand scheme of things, nothing. Pointing out little oddball issues here and there that TSBs take care of with random part tolerance issues doesn't prove jack about engine reliability and design robustness in the grand scheme of things.
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Steve, I am sure there may be more to 290 in the rl than a simple cam swap, fuel curves and timing issues for example, but the fact remain that the two engines are very related and knowing how HONDA does things it would NOT surprise me to know that the cam WILL in fact drop in... again speculation, but and educated guess none the less and the odds in my opinion are more likely than less likely. I usually am at the pointy end of the spear than 99.9% of the scensters, so I am sure it will be up to me to try this out.
I bet it'll drop in. But I know it's more than just fuel and timing curves too. The RL has had a trick variable exhaust setup for one. Compression is a bit higher at 11.0:1 IIRC. And the intake system from the manifold on up is probably a bit different too. And what about things like port sizes and valve diameter. All I'm saying is just don't expect 290hp with a cam swap alone.
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ELP_JC so you're pulling all this factual data from other forums and people's post? I'd like to know more..
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