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Old November 30th, 2004, 11:01 AM   #1
 
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Dyno of 03 Accord V6 6mt with AEM V1 CAI and GReddy EVO 2

The variables are 60 degree weather with fans on the motor and 93 octane. Max horsepower was 223.7 at the wheels, with 197.7 torque at the wheels. The run was done in third gear instead of 4th for some reason.

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tis broken, btw.
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tis broken, btw.
I know, cant get the pic to insert for some odd reason.
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That sounds about right, 10whp from i/e. Are you on stock rims still?
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That sounds about right, 10whp from i/e. Are you on stock rims still?
Yes I am. Dont want to bulk up my wheels and get more parasitic drag. What do you think about going to a V2 CAI instead of a V1, and also removing my third Cat and putting a resonator?
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Yes I am. Dont want to bulk up my wheels and get more parasitic drag. What do you think about going to a V2 CAI instead of a V1, and also removing my third Cat and putting a resonator?
All are simple little things that'll only net you a few hp, but on the n/a quest for power, that's normal. The highest dyno I've seen for a bolt-on AV6 was 233whp, and that wasn't ever confirmed. I just wouldn't expect huge gains from simple mods, but also keep in mind that every little bit counts, and every little bit adds to your advantage. The CAI should help you out with low-end torque, and that's something the Accord can always use.

I'd be wary of emissions with the cat thing, but you can do what I did, and that was get flanges welded on either side of the cat, and make it so that I can unbolt it and swap in a piece of straight pipe. Haven't had any issues yet, though I had to buy an o2 sensor spoof to keep the PCM happy.
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Cool, thanks for the reply. So not worth it to change from V1 to V2. I guess I will wait for Unichip.
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That doesn't seem too bad at all. I think its hard to improve on the 6spds stock dyno since the intake (on the 6spd) isn't that restrcitve in the grand scheme of things.
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Although every little bit helps, one person got true duals and other people went from dual exahust to single in their V6.. I did the switch form dual to single, does anyone think that was a bad idea?? I am really unable to tell.
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It basically comes down to the bank account when you're trying to justify spending $200-300 for 2-3hp. Honestly, I'd go with a CAI eventually because you'll benefit more from it. Sometimes it's more difficult to justify it when you've already spent money on an intake, but it just depends what you want to do. I think I've gone through 3 intakes in the Maxima and a couple in the GTP. I personally prefer the CAI's over the high-flows.
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It basically comes down to the bank account when you're trying to justify spending $200-300 for 2-3hp. Honestly, I'd go with a CAI eventually because you'll benefit more from it. Sometimes it's more difficult to justify it when you've already spent money on an intake, but it just depends what you want to do. I think I've gone through 3 intakes in the Maxima and a couple in the GTP. I personally prefer the CAI's over the high-flows.
It is a CAI, just not the AEM V2. It is the regular CAI. I guess I will wait for pullies and Unichip, or either Comptech Supercharger. Thanks.
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im curious about the car being dynoed in third gear apposeed to being in forth gear. I know forth gear is close to a 1.1 ratio, so doesn't that mean being in third gear the dyno would show that your making more power than you actually are?
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im curious about the car being dynoed in third gear apposeed to being in forth gear. I know forth gear is close to a 1.1 ratio, so doesn't that mean being in third gear the dyno would show that your making more power than you actually are?
Im not exactly sure if it was fourth or third. Before he did the runs, he did mess around a bit in each gear saying he was finding closest to 1/1, so I guess him being the proffesional, he picked the right gear. And by the way, third gear would show slightly less horsepower than 4th, but not much.
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This is what i found after a search for the 6 speeds gear ratios. And dynoing in third will show more power.

1st 3.933/NA
2nd 2.487/NA
3rd 1.700/NA
4th 1.250/NA
5th 0.976/NA
6th 0.771/NA
Reverse 4.008/NA
Final Drive Ratio 3.286/NA
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This is what i found after a search for the 6 speeds gear ratios. And dynoing in third will show more power.

1st 3.933/NA
2nd 2.487/NA
3rd 1.700/NA
4th 1.250/NA
5th 0.976/NA
6th 0.771/NA
Reverse 4.008/NA
Final Drive Ratio 3.286/NA

Good to know, I will make sure to watch carefully next time. lol. Thanks for the research.
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i researched a little more and i read an article that said dynoing in third or fourth gear will give you pretty much the same results..
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Its funny how most manufacturers claim 10whp with exhaust alone....lol. Looks like you are at somewhere between 10-12whp with intake and exhaust, still pretty decent on a car as highly tuned OEM as this.
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Looks like 'coolhaus' got 212whp and 188ft-lb on an '05 6spd that is fairly low in miles. So it looks like intake/exhaust nets roughly 10whp and 10tf-lb. BTW, I'm not using this as a scientific comparison....just a simple observation.
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Its funny how most manufacturers claim 10whp with exhaust alone....lol. Looks like you are at somewhere between 10-12whp with intake and exhaust, still pretty decent on a car as highly tuned OEM as this.
I am definitely happy with roughly 10 to 12 horsepower to the wheels with Exhaust and Intake. Your lucky to even see that sometime. I figure when unichip and pullies come out, you could get a cool 240 wheel horsepower.
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Yeah, thats what I was thinking. 240whp with bolt ons and unichip. Maybe a little more if we are lucky.
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I dont see how you will get 240whp without headers. Most CL-S6 guys with H/I/P pull ~240whp/210tq, and the CL-S6 dyno's ~ 10hp/15tq more than the 6 speed Accord.

And the jury is still kind of out on the Unichip. Some NA guys have gotten no better track times with it.
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Hmmm, I remember the AV6 6spd dynoing closer to the CL-S 6spd than that, its been a while so I need to check my facts.

Headers aren't an option on the new Accord with the exhaust manifold set up the way it is. I think that 30whp is quite attainable with intake, exhaust, pulleys, unichip. The proof is in the pudding as they say, so we'll have to wait and see.
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My bone stock dyno showed 218whp/206wtq, and thats on par with most stock 6 speed's I've read about. What does the typical 6 speed Accord dyno at?
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Here is a link to an '05 stock 6spd Accord with low miles. 212hp/188ft-lb

http://www.v6performance.net/forums/...ad.php?t=43478

It seems that there isn't too much of a difference in whp, but in torque there is. I guess thats due to the CL-S have .2L larger displacement.
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^ you guys are comparing apples to oranges because this dyno was done on a dynapack and that stock dyno was on a dynojet. They're NOT the same thing. Not all dynos were created equally, and different types will give different results. I feel like a broken record.
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Lets just say for arguments sake that 212/188 is the rule of thmb for 6 speed Accords, and say that 218/206 is standard fr CL-S6's. So thats 6hp/18tq.

I thunk its time for Steve to do a dyno/1/4 comparison betwene the two. I know they run similar times, but it'd be nice to see the graphs laid out.

edit: Good catch steve, I missed that. Is the general consensus like 3-5% higher reading from the Dynapack vs. DynoJet, and I know the Mustang dyno is like 10-15% lower than a DynoJet.
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Good catch, I didn't even see that. All that being said, those seem to be fairly consistent stock numbers for the Accord dynos here (the few that there are).
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I wouldn't be in total disbelief, but I wouldn't believe it without a dyno chart to see 245-250whp with i/e/p and a chip. The car is fairly strung out from the factory, I can't see that substantial of gains without some more internal mods.
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Supposedly from all the sources that I can find, they dynapack is within 1 to 3 percent of a dynojet. From what I have read on a bunch of sights, the dynapack is a more accurate representation of real whp. But, I am going to dyno on a dynojet also just to see what the numbers are. I will post as soon as I can find a dynojet near me.
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The variables are 60 degree weather with fans on the motor and 93 octane. Max horsepower was 223.7 at the wheels, with 197.7 torque at the wheels. The run was done in third gear instead of 4th for some reason.
Can you re-post your dyno? I also dyno'd on a dynapack and want to compare them.
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