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Old December 1st, 2003, 08:57 AM   #1
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The new Mazda 3

I know it doesn't have a V6 but I have to give it props. This is one sexy little car




Love the front



HIDs are an option, too



The interior looks similar to Audi in some respects and it even has an available Nav system!




Mazda has done a darn good job on this one

What do you guys think?
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I think that the car that was once a good and affordable car is gonna reach ridiculous price heights because of all the goodies mentionned ... but hey ... what else is new ...
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woot mazda3! damn.. how come they offered that car with all the goodies!!
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Old December 1st, 2003, 12:12 PM   #4
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I think that the car that was once a good and affordable car is gonna reach ridiculous price heights because of all the goodies mentionned ... but hey ... what else is new ...
It comes nicely equipped for under $17k but add all the options(moonroof, 6cd, navigation, xenon, tire-pressure monitoring system, sport package with 17s, leather and automatic) and it will be about $22k. That's not too bad if you think about it. Compare it to a TSX with the same features and it's about $8k cheaper. The TSX is nicer car but the 3 is the better value. A lot of people want premium features like xenon and navigation but can't afford a luxury car, so the 3 is perfect for them. If the 3 had been out a year and a half ago, I would've gotten it instead of the Accord
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Its exactly what I hate: a slow car with lots of stupid options [IMO] I don't like the style either, I've seen it in person a few times. Its one of the few cars from mazda that I don't like right now.
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I saw this at the auto show last week and its basically a mini Mazda 6....i wasnt all that impressed.
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Old December 1st, 2003, 12:34 PM   #7
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Its exactly what I hate: a slow car with lots of stupid options [IMO] I don't like the style either, I've seen it in person a few times. Its one of the few cars from mazda that I don't like right now.
Slow? With a 5-speed I'm sure it could kick a stock 6th gen AV6's ass. It has 160HP and only weighs 2700lbs. As for looks, as much as I like the 6, I think the 3 looks a little better IMO.
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I really like the look of the three, its like is a baby Mazda6 that hasn't gone through puberty yet, right before it hits that ugly awkward phase.
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Looks Freakin awesome but last time mazda made a car with a 3 it had a 1.6 liter v6 or something very small...and f'ugly too

this one might be very nice, but if it racks up to that 25k range then better off with an v6 accord 6 spd...
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The price is too high...

The only mazda worth buying is the RX8, RX7, and Miata...Those are worth the thrills, and enjoyment with those high price tags.
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i'm sorry ... but this car is sooooooooooo not in the same class as the TSX ... now come on ...

comparing an Acura ... an Accord from Europe ... to a Mazda ... made to be economic ?!

that doesn't sound right
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I saw one at the auto show here in Florida. Car was on a lift though so you couldn’t sit in it .

The cars looks are ok. The droopy headlights look like the ones on the newest Caviler. Its a bit to aggressive looking for such a car IMO.

The interior is nicely laid out but the integrated radio is a problem. Putting an aftermarket system is near impossible to do. In the 7th gen Accord you can at least mount a HU in the cubby section. This car you can't even do that. But the one thing I like is the navi system. Many new cars in Japan can come with a navi of some sort. Heck even the Civics’ in Japan have a navi as an option.

And one other thing, the tire pressure monitor needs to be made a safety standard IMO just like how front airbags are now in every car. Heck just one little light saying one is low is good enough.

Though with all that said, Mazda is really starting to turn around and become a bigger competitor .



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i might actually buy the wagon version of this car. i like the looks of it. its has styling hints of the 6 and 8 on it. Love at first sight? Maybe.

the i version has a base price of 14,500, the s model is 16,400, and the wagon is 16,800.

engine for the i model is the same one found in the 6. 2.0l i4 making 148hp rated from the fastory.
the s model and wagon get the 2.3l i4 (they say targeted 160hp)

i think this car is gonna punch a hole in the small car market for mazda.
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i'm sorry ... but this car is sooooooooooo not in the same class as the TSX ... now come on ...

comparing an Acura ... an Accord from Europe ... to a Mazda ... made to be economic ?!

that doesn't sound right
i don't think they're comparing the 3 to the tsx i thought it was only the 6
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- looks sweet!
- ballsy engines (for a small car)
- high end options (if desired)

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i'm sorry ... but this car is sooooooooooo not in the same class as the TSX ... now come on ...

comparing an Acura ... an Accord from Europe ... to a Mazda ... made to be economic ?!

that doesn't sound right
I wasn't comparing it directly to the TSX. I was making a point about how you could get all of the features of the TSX, including nav, for nearly $8k less.

I don't understand why people think the TSX is so great as it's just a rebadged Euro Accord. IMO, it pales in comparison to true luxury cars from BMW and Audi, the two automakers Acura is desperately trying to emulate with the TSX and TL. It's a nice car and all but it'll be a cold day in hell before I spend nearly 30 large on a 4-cylinder BMW wannabe.
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I own a mazda myself and there not all that bad of a car. A little slower than what im use to but hey thats why they make superchargers and turbo's. I think the car is fine, it looks good, and will look better when im finished deckin it out.
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There's nothing wrong with Mazda They're getting better and better as of late which is something that can't be said about Honda. IMO, their styling department is on a roll with the new 6, 3 and RX-8.
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Slow? With a 5-speed I'm sure it could kick a stock 6th gen AV6's ass. It has 160HP and only weighs 2700lbs.
I never said the accord was fast But I did miss the 160hp and 2700lbs part, thats more like what I've been expecting from mazda. Now wheres the factory turbo miata?!?!?
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I never said the accord was fast But I did miss the 160hp and 2700lbs part, thats more like what I've been expecting from mazda. Now wheres the factory turbo miata?!?!?


The turbocharged MazdaSpeed Miata was on display at the Tokyo Auto Show and is expected to arrive here early next year It's 1.8L four will make [email protected] thanks to a low-pressure turbo tuned for low- and mid-range torque. It will come with 17" wheels and a 6-speed. The only color choices will be Red and gray. No pricing details have been released yet but it is expected to sticker close to $30k.

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Well I did some plug-n-chug work in CarTest, and the hot rod of the bunch (if you could call it that) is the 4-door 3s MTX with 16" wheels. Bout 15.5-15.7 @ 88.2 depending on how well the driver can launch. 3i MTX should do about 15.9-16.1 @ 86.2. And ironically, the 3s 5-door MTX is not much better than that. It has the heaviest body and the heavy 17" wheels standard. About 15.8-16.0 @ 86.8. The 5-door also has the highest coefficient of drag.

Not too bad for economy cars by any means. And they'll probably handle like they're on rails too.
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Old December 4th, 2003, 11:43 PM   #22
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Mid-15s out of an economy car I definitely wouldn't want to race a 4-door 3s MT in my Accord as it is.

Your numbers are right on the money for the 5-door 3s. I hate to mag race, but Car and Driver got a [email protected] out of a well-equipped(read: heavy, 2957lbs heavy) 5-door 3s MT. That means that the numbers you got for the other models should be close as well.

I seriously considered the Protege because it was so fun to drive and handled so well. The main reason why I didn't get one was the lack of power, even with the 5-speed. It looks like the 3 will fix that problem and make a well-rounded little sports sedan/wagon.
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The only mazda worth buying is the RX8


Also I think comparing a econo car like this to a TSX is

I like this peppy little econo car overall. The leather or navi on a econo car like this looks stupid imo. The exterior looks very agressive for this market.. I like! But like the protege5 or RSX, the look gets boring after a while. The interior looks very much like the 6's, its cheap compared to the 6's competitors but its pretty good for this class!

However I don't see this car affecting Civics or Corrolla sales cuz imo middle aged parents looking for a economy spec car will want something that looks more mature (ie Civic Sedan, Corrolla).
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The only Mazda worth buying is the RX8? lol, to each their own. I would take a 6 over an Accord and a 3 over a Civic very easily. All of these cars offer things that the Honda market equivalents do not. A lot more.

Honda has and always will do a great job of building mainstream products that have mass market appeal. But us enthusiasts are not exactly mainstream buyers. Companies like Mazda are doing a much better job of appealing to enthusiasts than Honda is, IMO.
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Mid-15s out of an economy car
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I wonder how well a J series v6 would fit in one of these things....
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The very tall overhead U-bend style intake manifold design on the J-series would prevent it from fitting into pretty much any of the smaller cars.
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Whatever steve I'll just make it the newest way of putting a tunnel ram on a car with it sticking outa the hood for imports, use a J series motor and cut a hole on the hood
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If you're willing to do that then you're obviously not too concerned about "how well" it would fit in which case, what was the point of your question?
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I would take a 6 over an Accord and a 3 over a Civic
Exactly, I'll even pick the RX-8 over the new S2k That 3 looks like a M6 combine the Protege, but I like it! For styling, I have to go with Mazda, they did a heck of a job on all their new models
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