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Old May 25th, 2005, 10:27 AM   #1
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Who has a Mazadaspeed 6?

So who has one? How is it? Is it really Zoom-Zoom?

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No one, it won't hit show rooms until August at the earliest.
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Old May 27th, 2005, 11:18 AM   #3
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i sat in it at the NY auto show. found the shifter very dissapointing. sorry but im a pure honda/acura and bmw shifter fan.
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From what the first drives say in the mags, the shifter is on par with anything that honda/acura makes. The car show model you saw probably wasn't a production vehicle.
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the shifter will most likly be like the manuals in the regular 6s. They are pretty crapy if you ask me. so is the one in the rx-8. If the 8 isn't that good the mazdaspeed version should be on par to that...
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Old June 10th, 2005, 02:15 PM   #6
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the shifter will most likly be like the manuals in the regular 6s. They are pretty crapy if you ask me. so is the one in the rx-8. If the 8 isn't that good the mazdaspeed version should be on par to that...
Wrong! The Mazdaspeed had a totally different 6 speed manual than the regular 6s. Early feedback on it is that it is very good. The shifter on the 6s isn't as good as Honda makes but it is not bad at all. A little long from gate to gate, but the Mazdaspeed short throw kit will fix that.
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Just to make sure everyone has checked this thing out.


Good God. I want to drive one.
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Old June 11th, 2005, 03:49 PM   #8
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the shifter will most likly be like the manuals in the regular 6s. They are pretty crapy if you ask me. so is the one in the rx-8. If the 8 isn't that good the mazdaspeed version should be on par to that...
??? The shifter in the RX8 is superb, it's one of the best short throws I ever worked!
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the shifter will most likly be like the manuals in the regular 6s. They are pretty crapy if you ask me. so is the one in the rx-8. If the 8 isn't that good the mazdaspeed version should be on par to that...

is this according to something else or u actually DROVE/RACEd in rx8 with shifting???
Because I did drive the rx8 and its INCREDIBLE, im not talking about speed or anything else but Shifting !
So r u sure?
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it looks retarded in the front, but thats because they had to make room for the intercooler
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is this according to something else or u actually DROVE/RACEd in rx8 with shifting???
Because I did drive the rx8 and its INCREDIBLE, im not talking about speed or anything else but Shifting !
So r u sure?
Good point! In fact the RX8s only drawback, albeit it's huge, is the lame power. Mazda definately should have made a quick fix to that issue instead of all the deception. I know all the enthusiasts will tell you they bought the car for it's INCREDIBLE handling, but come on! Everyone knows we all love power too. So it's back to the Mazdaspeed 6 which should be killer, and then the Mazdaspeed 8, if Mazda is smart!
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Is this already out?

Today I was driving, I saw this silver mazda 6 with very similar looking,
but lower than regular 6s I saw, additional badging on the rear left corner(couldn't read),
rear bumper seemed slightly different(maybe im trippin'). I couldn't see the front though.

Only drawback I see in this baby is that it weighs near 3600pds. WTF?
well 270 something hp and 280 somethint tq can probably move that thing though I guess.
I actually like the front. Its overall very well built car IMO. Just needs some carbon
fiber work here and there.
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Old June 22nd, 2005, 05:15 AM   #13
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Is this already out?

Today I was driving, I saw this silver mazda 6 with very similar looking,
but lower than regular 6s I saw, additional badging on the rear left corner(couldn't read),
rear bumper seemed slightly different(maybe im trippin'). I couldn't see the front though.

Only drawback I see in this baby is that it weighs near 3600pds. WTF?
well 270 something hp and 280 somethint tq can probably move that thing though I guess.
I actually like the front. Its overall very well built car IMO. Just needs some carbon
fiber work here and there.
Don't believe they have hit any dealer lots yet. Probably just a look alike. Weight is one of the things that concerns me with the speed 6, especially seeing as the mags in the first tests said the car drives with a decent amount of understeer at limits. Hopefully in the production versions this can be corrected a bit. It is a reasonably heavy car, but it is all wheel drive, midsize, and will have all the bells and whistles.

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Good point! In fact the RX8s only drawback, albeit it's huge, is the lame power. Mazda definately should have made a quick fix to that issue instead of all the deception. I know all the enthusiasts will tell you they bought the car for it's INCREDIBLE handling, but come on! Everyone knows we all love power too. So it's back to the Mazdaspeed 6 which should be killer, and then the Mazdaspeed 8, if Mazda is smart!
Lack of torque I will give you. Lack of power? What are you smokin'. Last I checked, cars that can run 6 flat to 60 and run in the mid to low 14's stock weren't at a lack of power. How would driving the RX be any different than driving an S-2000. Lack of torque is a rotary thing. I am sure that given the precidents they will probably do a speed 8. The did a speed Miata, they did a speed Protege, they are doing a speed 6 and will be doing a speed 3 next. Unless they plan on a speed Tribute or speed MPV (now that would be funny), I would say chances are the 8 is next.
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Old June 22nd, 2005, 11:46 AM   #15
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I really wouldn't consider 3600pds "reasonably" heavy bro.
thats overweight for such sport sedan. heavier than most competition.
No matter if it has AWD or whatever WD, weight is always a drawback
both for handling and performance. 3600pds obviously was a big mistake.
this is not SUV. If it weighs anywhere around 3200, it would've been super killer.
I mean it still is a killer though.

and RX8 does lack in power. Just because RX7 was such a beast, and RX8 is
just a weak link. It handles like a dream, but doesn't have the power that
RX series supposed to have. I think even mazda guys agree with that.
So many people I know took RX8 out of their list when buying cars, just because
of power. Go to edmunds RX8 forum, so many complaints especially about
lack of power.
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The Mazdaspeed's AWD system is supposed to be very FWD biased from what i hear...
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Old June 22nd, 2005, 12:04 PM   #17
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I really wouldn't consider 3600pds "reasonably" heavy bro.
thats overweight for such sport sedan. heavier than most competition.
No matter if it has AWD or whatever WD, weight is always a drawback
both for handling and performance. 3600pds obviously was a big mistake.
this is not SUV. If it weighs anywhere around 3200, it would've been super killer.
I mean it still is a killer though.

and RX8 does lack in power. Just because RX7 was such a beast, and RX8 is
just a weak link. It handles like a dream, but doesn't have the power that
RX series supposed to have. I think even mazda guys agree with that.
So many people I know took RX8 out of their list when buying cars, just because
of power. Go to edmunds RX8 forum, so many complaints especially about
lack of power.
3200 lbs would be great. I don't know how realistic you are being with that number. However, the number I would reference is that the Legacy GT, also a 4 cyl turbo all wheel drive sedan has a curb weight per Edmumnds of 3365 lbs versus the curb weight of the MS6 of 3589. I would say using the LGT as a reference point, the MS6 is a little fat, but I am not so sure that 3200 lbs is more than throwing around a wishful number.

Compared to the RX-7, which pushed out 255hp and 217 lb/ft of torque, I would agree that the RX-8 would seem under powered. If buyers bought the RX-8 thinking it was an RX-7, than they should have done a little more research. However, based on the numbers the car puts up, it wouldn't indicate a "lack of power". Would I want to drive a car with that little torque? I am not sure, I haven't driven it. Additionally, the rumors keep flying about the RX-7 coming back in a similar form as the RX-8, but with the turbo power. I suppose if that is true, Mazda had to save something for its later game plan.
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The Mazdaspeed's AWD system is supposed to be very FWD biased from what i hear...
Its the same system Volvo uses. It is not an all time all wheel drive system like Subaru, but it as the ability to share equal power with the front an the rear as the car sees a need.
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3200 lbs would be great. I don't know how realistic you are being with that number. However, the number I would reference is that the Legacy GT, also a 4 cyl turbo all wheel drive sedan has a curb weight per Edmumnds of 3365 lbs versus the curb weight of the MS6 of 3589. I would say using the LGT as a reference point, the MS6 is a little fat, but I am not so sure that 3200 lbs is more than throwing around a wishful number.

Compared to the RX-7, which pushed out 255hp and 217 lb/ft of torque, I would agree that the RX-8 would seem under powered. If buyers bought the RX-8 thinking it was an RX-7, than they should have done a little more research. However, based on the numbers the car puts up, it wouldn't indicate a "lack of power". Would I want to drive a car with that little torque? I am not sure, I haven't driven it. Additionally, the rumors keep flying about the RX-7 coming back in a similar form as the RX-8, but with the turbo power. I suppose if that is true, Mazda had to save something for its later game plan.
I couldn't quite understand what you meant by "realistic with the number",
maybe you could eleborate that a little bit.
Like how you agreed 3200pds will be great, that was just a number figure
nothing more, nothing less. I am just saying losing couple hundred pounds
will do nothing but good. MS6 still performs good as is right now,
just imagine if it was couple hundred pounds lighter. Thats all Im saying.
In my honest opinion, its rare to see such japanese sports inspired AWD sedan
that weighs near 3600pds. Especially for something like MS6 class range.
And you know, even 100pds weight saving will make a huge difference
in terms of performance and handling.

People do "mis-use" lack of power sometimes, but I think most would agree,
its all because RX7 was such a legend(as I say it again). If RX8 was just
solely a brand new car, it would get much more props and attention imo.
It looks good, it handles good, just don't have enough power to say
"oh, its what we expected from predecessor."
I heard the rumors about the samething also. Hopefully it becomes true.
I mean, judging by mazda's moves these days, they aren't so stuck behind
original theories anymore. They seem much flexible and know what they
doing. I am sure they will pull something off.
Nissan and Mazda showing such dramatic change over short period time
(in a good way) is telling me nothing but that there is a good future for them ahead.
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I couldn't quite understand what you meant by "realistic with the number",
maybe you could eleborate that a little bit.
Like how you agreed 3200pds will be great, that was just a number figure
nothing more, nothing less. I am just saying losing couple hundred pounds
will do nothing but good. MS6 still performs good as is right now,
just imagine if it was couple hundred pounds lighter. Thats all Im saying.
In my honest opinion, its rare to see such japanese sports inspired AWD sedan
that weighs near 3600pds. Especially for something like MS6 class range.
And you know, even 100pds weight saving will make a huge difference
in terms of performance and handling.

People do "mis-use" lack of power sometimes, but I think most would agree,
its all because RX7 was such a legend(as I say it again). If RX8 was just
solely a brand new car, it would get much more props and attention imo.
It looks good, it handles good, just don't have enough power to say
"oh, its what we expected from predecessor."
I heard the rumors about the samething also. Hopefully it becomes true.
I mean, judging by mazda's moves these days, they aren't so stuck behind
original theories anymore. They seem much flexible and know what they
doing. I am sure they will pull something off.
Nissan and Mazda showing such dramatic change over short period time
(in a good way) is telling me nothing but that there is a good future for them ahead.
My point is that there is no reference point for the 3200lb number. There isn't another mid size all wheel drive sedan out there that is weighing in at that number. I would say the only reference point to compare the MS6 to is the Legacy GT. The Legacy weighs in at 3356 lbs. Which to me is a more reasonable reference point than an arbitrary number that would frankly be the approximate weight of a front wheel drive midsize sedan, not all wheel. Lighter would be much better. So wouldn't the ability to have made the car so it could use tires wider than 215's. Mazda didn't do either of those things with the MS6. I love what Mazda has done. Frankly I am not a Nissan guy. I don't need to wear my horsepower number on my chest to feel useful!
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Frankly I am not a Nissan guy. I don't need to wear my horsepower number on my chest to feel useful!
lol.

Im offended anyway. <- soon to be nissan owner.
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lol.

Im offended anyway. <- soon to be nissan owner.
Na, I am just kidding. I know some Nissan guys, and they are like the Nissan commercials sound......you don't just own an Altima if you are a Nissan owner, you own a "250 hp Altima", thats why I say they wear it on there chest. Nissan loves to market the HP number. Its all about the HP at Nissan. You don't hear Honda or Mazda or Toyota market like that.
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Lack of torque I will give you. Lack of power? What are you smokin'. Last I checked, cars that can run 6 flat to 60 and run in the mid to low 14's stock weren't at a lack of power. How would driving the RX be any different than driving an S-2000. Lack of torque is a rotary thing. I am sure that given the precidents they will probably do a speed 8. The did a speed Miata, they did a speed Protege, they are doing a speed 6 and will be doing a speed 3 next. Unless they plan on a speed Tribute or speed MPV (now that would be funny), I would say chances are the 8 is next.
Um, Torque is part of the power equation, but with the high rpm band and fast time it takes to get to those revs, your right, torque isn't as important with a rotory compared to a conventional motor, but I still want lot's of torque, Damit! And I didn't smoke anything. I have owned that car for almost a year, And I and many others couldn't come close to those times. and It isn't inexperienced driving. The problem was a lot of people expected the car to have more power and better actual times then it has. Mazda had the recall, for detuning the power output, as they had to adhear to emissions standards for smog output as well as catylitic converter life. The original tune of the car wouldn't allow for this to happen or Mazda wouldn't have been allowed to sell the car in the U.S. They originally advertised the H.P at 249, then they advertised 239 after the detune. The car is realistically around 220 H.P. Don't get me wrong, I loved the car in almost everyway, except for the lower power output then expected. I was sad to get rid of it, but my injured back and nerve damaged clutch leg, couldn't take it anymore. Now I'm much better, glad to say, and ready for a little heel & toe work.
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lol.

Im offended anyway. <- soon to be nissan owner.
I see your point! I don't think the 3600 lbs is going to slow the car to the point of dissapointment. Would a lighter weight be better? Sure it will. But a performance sedan of this caliber is going to put a smile on a lot of peoples faces. The traction of the allwheel drive will be a night and day difference compared to a similar front drive car that weighs less. And there is always the easy addition of aftermarket parts to make up for the weight. I wouldn't be offended about Nissan, they make great cars as well. I think the Mazdaspeed 6 will be quicker then what they advertise. My Galant GTS is a heavy biatch, at 3600 lbs, but is deceptively quick for being a front driver and it's heft. It gets to 60mph in under 7 seconds, thanks to its torque and higher then advertised H.P rating. IT's no sports car, that's for sure. But it has very good handling and power for a big sedan with enough room for the wife and kid's and their friends. I wish the Altima R or the Mazdaspeed 6 was around back then, or I would have enthusiastically taken one of those, but then again, I only spent $21,000.
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Na, I am just kidding. I know some Nissan guys, and they are like the Nissan commercials sound......you don't just own an Altima if you are a Nissan owner, you own a "250 hp Altima", thats why I say they wear it on there chest. Nissan loves to market the HP number. Its all about the HP at Nissan. You don't hear Honda or Mazda or Toyota market like that.

Every manufacturer does that, though at least the Nissans have more than a hp number to back it up, torque. I always get a kick out of people who talk solely about hp numbers. A local Maxima owner makes like 305whp/255wtq (V1 s/c), and talks a lot of **** about the GTP. I told him I ought to be making around 340ish off the bottle, but his logic is that 305whp in his 3000lb 5spd will be enough to take down the 3400lb. GTP. Considering that a GTP with around that whp will go very low 12's/high 11's at 114+ with a decent launch, I'm not real worried. HP is important, but there's a lot more factors to consider.

Anyways, 3600lbs is a bit porky, though I'm sure the AWD is the big culprit. I'd guess low 14's with a sorta low trap for that e.t. due to the AWD.
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