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Old July 28th, 2004, 07:55 PM   #1
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2005 Pontiac GTO

2005 GTO
LS2 400HP/395TQ
Duel snorkel hood for increased engine cooling
Bigger brakes w/RED GTO engraved calipers
18in Wheel option
Split rear exhaust
Revised gauges with higher redline tach
Dead pedal

Unoffical (non-published) 1/4 time for the 05 GTO is [email protected]
(let's see what the magazines come up with)

GM Media Release 7/27

Couple of pix of the 2005 Holden Monaro (the basis of the GTO)
Give ya all an idea on the hood scoops and exhaust









A4 base msrp = $32,295
+ $700 Destination
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M6 base msrp = $32,295
+ $700 Destination
+ $695 6-speed Transmission
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Old July 28th, 2004, 08:10 PM   #2
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Oh yeah, and the Top Gear video on the Holden Monaro

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^^^ and it's the 2004 model
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that car is EASILY a 12 second car with some mods.

I wonder what the price range is looking like
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WOW! i bet the hood scoops are gonna make a lot of gto enthusiasts happy. I like the exhaust system a lot better than the previous one, too.
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ahaha, the 2k4 people will feel jipped for not waiting for 2k5 ls2
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Old July 28th, 2004, 08:53 PM   #6
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damn...GTOs are getting better and better...im liking this car...
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Old July 28th, 2004, 09:23 PM   #7
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ahaha, the 2k4 people will feel jipped for not waiting for 2k5 ls2
That's what I was thinking. Who'd have thought that the car's power would be bumped by so much for its 2nd year?

I wonder if Vette owners are upset at the power levels? I guess this car is a bit heavier than a Vette...but still...
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Much better than the 2004 .



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Old July 29th, 2004, 05:37 PM   #9
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why would a vette owner be mad? pontiac has occasionaly one-upped the vette in power in its long history.
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Old July 29th, 2004, 07:46 PM   #10
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^ I'm not saying all Vette owners are gonna be outraged. Don't you think it's realistic to consider that maybe a few people that spent $40,000+ for the primo sportscar in GM's lineup will be po'd to have the "lower end" GTO being so similar in performance?

Don't people in Accords get pissed when Civics smoke them? Some people expect cars to fall into a performance hierarchy according to cost. Some people get upset when lesser priced cars can compete with, or exceed, the performance of their more expensive cars. (Consider all the SRT4 haters out there...)

It's simply my opinion that some, not all, Vette owners will be irked that their beloved, 400HP LT2 isn't exclusively for use in the Corvette, and that they might not be happy that their cars don't so clearly dominate GM's stable. Just my 2/100 of a dollar.

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well... the C6 vette (base) can do 0-60 in 4.2 seconds (MT got 4.3) i doubt the GTO could do that.

of course, with your logic, vette owners should be mad that camaros had as much hp as the base vette too.
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I think the gto's a lot better than the c5 vette because of its interior. The c6 is close, but still not as good. The reason the gto's so damn heavy is because G.M. didnt want to redo the suspension. Because of the rough roads in australia, most of the suspension and other parts of the frame are made of cast iron, whereas for the u.s, it could have been made of aluminum.
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I think the gto's a lot better than the c5 vette because of its interior. The c6 is close, but still not as good. The reason the gto's so damn heavy is because G.M. didnt want to redo the suspension. Because of the rough roads in australia, most of the suspension and other parts of the frame are made of cast iron, whereas for the u.s, it could have been made of aluminum.
well then i think the next Gen GTO might suit you...
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ahaha, the 2k4 people will feel jipped for not waiting for 2k5 ls2
WTF. hood swap and LS1 modding potential. Problem solved.
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Old July 29th, 2004, 08:38 PM   #15
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As for the LS1 GTO "one upping" the Vette, does it really? HP does not equal performance. HP to Weight does.

LS6 C5: 405hp / 3116lbs = 260hp/ton
LS1 C5: 350hp / 3214lbs = 225hp/ton
LS2 GTO: 400hp / 3725lbs = 215hp/ton
LS1 GTO: 350hp / 3725lbs = 188hp/ton
7g AV6 6MT: 250hp / 3260lbs = 153hp/ton (just for reference )

It's easy to forget all about weight in a horsepower race, but it's just as important as how much horsepower you have. The extra torque in the LS2 from the displacement bump will help the 05 GTO so maybe it'll equal or slightly exceed an LS1 C5 in a straight line. But all of the extra weight will be a lot more difficult for the GTO to turn also. The C5 will still be a vastly more agile and manuverable car.

Handy site for car specs/weights: http://www.autosite.com/new/ataglanceshell.asp
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well... the C6 vette (base) can do 0-60 in 4.2 seconds (MT got 4.3) i doubt the GTO could do that.

of course, with your logic, vette owners should be mad that camaros had as much hp as the base vette too.
I'll pass on the flamebait OHV, thanks. I didn't think I was saying anything unreasonable or far fetched. If you disagree with my opinion just ignore it. Krist.
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what i aint baiting you, im just saying that vette owners obviously done care too much.... (or maybe cause they actually believe those numbers on the sticker LOL)
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what i aint baiting you, im just saying that vette owners obviously done care too much.... (or maybe cause they actually believe those numbers on the sticker LOL)
Ok. Sorry. Sometimes I go on the defensive when it seems someone is rebuffing all my comments.

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GTO @ 510 HP
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Old July 31st, 2004, 10:52 PM   #21
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All the information was officially released.


For a really really big picture of the 2005 GTO CLICK HERE and HERE


LS2 details

Compared to the Gen III-based LS1, the 2005 GTO’s LS2 V-8 incorporates several significant changes to help improve performance. The block is an all-new casting with cylinder bores measuring 4.00 inches (101.6 mm) in diameter. The cylinder heads and camshaft are revised, too, to deliver the airflow necessary to complement the engine’s larger displacement. Other changes include:

New aluminum block casting with revised oil galleries and provisions for external knock sensors – external sensors improve serviceability
Camshaft lift increased to take advantage of increased cylinder head flow
Camshaft sensor relocated from the rear of the block to the front of the block provides room for new oil galleries
Flat-top piston design with lower ring tension reduces friction
Piston floating wrist pins help quiet the engine
More efficient ignition coils require less energy to provide a comparable spark
Compression raised to 10.9:1
Larger, 90-mm single-blade throttle body
Reduced-mass water pump design with improved sealing capability
Engine “redline” raised to 6500 rpm
Revised and more powerful engine controller incorporates all electronic throttle control functions.

More stuff

The new GTO is a contemporary performer. Its traits include impressive cornering abilities, a smooth ride and surprising comfort. The drivetrain rides on a 109.8-inch (279-cm) wheelbase, with a low stance that enhances the wide-track feel behind the wheel. The front track measures 61.4 inches (156 cm) and the rear track is 62.1 inches (158 cm) wide.

The fully independent suspension features MacPherson struts in front and a semi-trailing arm design in the rear, with specially tuned strut valving and spring rates. Direct-acting stabilizer bars and a variable ratio power steering system also are tuned to provide a sporty feel and increased driver feedback. Seventeen-inch alloy wheels and performance tires are matched to the performance-tuned suspension. Traction control and a limited slip differential also come standard.

Full article with all the specs (except price)
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looks like it will be priced under 35k
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looks like it will be priced under 35k
I think the Infiniti G35 coupe should run and hide .



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holy crap, they went back to a 4" bore block!!! YES!!!! GO GM!!!!!!

I was really starting to worry with all these 3.90" bore LS1's running around. And Steve, hood swap and LS1 modding potential? LOL The LS2 not only has 3 valves vs 2 for the LS1, but it has a bigger bore at 4" which means less valve shrouding. The LS2 will have EVEN MORE potential then the LS1. Things only getting better at GM.....

As for the corvette owners- they wont get irked, GM has had it this way for a long time. The base model vette has the same power as the top level F-body [or holden in this case ] and then theres a upper level vette [the new ZO6 will be 500hp LS series motor]
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looks like it will be priced under 35k
Wow.

Do you think there will be such demand that the car will go for way over MSRP? I just can't imagine such a wicked car selling for that "cheap."
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well... the C6 vette (base) can do 0-60 in 4.2 seconds (MT got 4.3) i doubt the GTO could do that.

of course, with your logic, vette owners should be mad that camaros had as much hp as the base vette too.
C6 Coupe
0-60 MPH in 3.9 seconds.

1/4 mile 12.6 @ 115mph

Top speed 186 MPH!

GM stated this today (6-24-2004) during an Chevrolet IDL broadcast for the 2005 Corvette.
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0-60 MPH in 3.9 seconds.

1/4 mile 12.6 @ 115mph

Top speed 186 MPH!

GM stated this today (6-24-2004) during an Chevrolet IDL broadcast for the 2005 Corvette.
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AWESOME!

That's almost as fast as a stock SRT-4!





















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Wow.

Do you think there will be such demand that the car will go for way over MSRP? I just can't imagine such a wicked car selling for that "cheap."

When the 2004 came out a lot of dealerships were trying to sell them for 5k over MSRP (33k for the 04) however the sales were really really slow. GM offered 2k back or 2.9 apr financing last month to finally move some of the 04's out. They want the 2005 on the streets since they have upgraded it so heavily. I don't see them making the same mistake again when it comes to the price.
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The 2005 GTO with the optional hood scoop will be yummier .



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