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Old June 11th, 2008, 06:03 PM   #1
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So I'm driving along and see this Evo and Cobalt SS with HIDs. I thought I heard them play around a little, so I do a little 2nd gear pull. This seems to spark the attention of the Evo driver as he catches up to me. We approach a red light but as he and I both know, AWD > FWD from a dig; so we come off slowly, shift to 2nd and I lurch forward a bit to tease. He does the same only stays on it..he got the jump from a 40ish roll and is slowly pulling away. As I shift to 3rd he is still pulling, but not as much. By the top of 3rd I am now pulling on him slowly and the same at the bottom of 4th.

If we got an even start, I still think he would've pulled in 2nd but veryyy slightly, maybe 1/2 car. Then in 3rd I would've pulled and beat him easily by 1 - 1 1/2 cars. I had a passenger and he did not. The turbo spool was pretty loud.. I don't know Evo's so maybe it's loud stock, but if anything he had an intake and that's it. I was pleased
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Old June 11th, 2008, 06:20 PM   #2
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that evo must be broken or poorly modified without a tune. there's no way you will pull on it in any gear.
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Old June 11th, 2008, 06:52 PM   #3
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Depends on what model evo it is, but I know when I raced an evo 9 I lost by by 2-3 cars up to 90-100 and he even let me go first so he didn't get the awd advantage from a dig.
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It was an Evo VIII, definitely not a IX. Plus the intake really doesn't do much performance-wise I've heard.

From a dig I wouldn't stand a chance, but from a roll.. that's a different story. Their top end isn't that great.
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The Evo from a roll depending on mods is not that impressive. When I had my MS3 stock I would put 2 cars from 60mph-120mph on my friend with his stock Evo 9MR
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Old June 11th, 2008, 09:10 PM   #6
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Nice encounter. I've heard an Evo from a roll is a pretty good race. So in the end, when you both finally got off of it, who was ahead, you or him?
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evo's suck from a roll. definitely woulda got him if you did a roll from around 10mph. nice job
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Nice encounter. I've heard an Evo from a roll is a pretty good race. So in the end, when you both finally got off of it, who was ahead, you or him?
When we got off of it, he was still ahead. With all that torque, his small "jump" was actually like a car. And he pulled in 2nd, and I pulled at the top of 3rd and beginning of 4th. He had about 2 cars on at the beginning of 3rd, and it ended as I was approaching his rear bumper, maybe 1 car at the beginning of 4th. If we would've kept going, I would've passed him mid-4th.

That's why if we got an even start, I think I would've definitely pulled ahead.

Not that it makes a huge difference, but I did have a 120-lb passenger.
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nice kill . what mods do u have?
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I'm stock except for test pipe.
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Id have to agree with Nighthawk, Im not understanding how you were on his bumper when you have an I4 with just a test pipe, and you said you would be passing him in 4th?? Sorry that is very hard to believe even it being an VIII. I would also have to say he let off or hit boost or fuel cut causing it to be so close as you say.
*True evo's from a roll arent great stock IF the driver isnt in the correct gear and did not brake boost. This is the only way I can see the why this statement is made.
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The Evo from a roll depending on mods is not that impressive. When I had my MS3 stock I would put 2 cars from 60mph-120mph on my friend with his stock Evo 9MR
This statement also boggles me. Your friend must need some driving lessons. Simply,..IX's have a larger turbo and MIVEC to help the top end vs. the VIII, and traps 103-105mph on average, the ms3 will stop the pull a bit (not completely) after 100mph, but the MS3 surely wont pull 2 cars lengths.
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Old June 13th, 2008, 11:52 AM   #13
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I'm not trying to discredit the race, because as we all know anything can happen on the street, but I was under the impression that the Evo still traps around 103mph in the 1/4 mile. That's a good 3-5 mph faster than an Accord V6 6MT.
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0Tol. - I think he ditched his 6th gen 4cyl. for a 7th gen v6.

MBR - Is that the Evo 8 or 9? Also, from a roll is a completely different story for the Evo.

When I had my AV6 6MT is was routine for me to piss off Evo 8 drivers on the freeway. From a dig forget about it... And the Evo 9s...pfff Raped me no matter what.
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Old June 13th, 2008, 01:57 PM   #15
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When I had my AV6 6MT is was routine for me to piss off Evo 8 drivers on the freeway. From a dig forget about it... And the Evo 9s...pfff Raped me no matter what.
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Let me clear some things up..

I used to have the 2000 4 cyl 5spd but have since upgraded to the 2006 V6 6MT. I consider myself a skilled driver and have many people to 2nd that.

Evo's are obviously great 1/4 mile cars given AWD. However, from a roll, stock or very lightly modded, they lose steam up top with the stock turbo. The V6 6MT has pretty good low end and great top end, giving it a slight advantage from a roll. From a dig it wouldn't even be close but from a roll we hold our own with the Evo's. And it definitely wasn't a IX..Lol.
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Let me clear some things up..

I used to have the 2000 4 cyl 5spd but have since upgraded to the 2006 V6 6MT. I consider myself a skilled driver and have many people to 2nd that.

Evo's are obviously great 1/4 mile cars given AWD. However, from a roll, stock or very lightly modded, they lose steam up top with the stock turbo. The V6 6MT has pretty good low end and great top end, giving it a slight advantage from a roll. From a dig it wouldn't even be close but from a roll we hold our own with the Evo's. And it definitely wasn't a IX..Lol.
it doesn't take any skills to go in a straight line.. it takes some practice but once you get it down, there's definitely no skill involved. it's like when you learned how to read the alphabet. now on a road course where you have to utilize gas, braking, transmission etc.. that takes some skills.. coming in a turn, and exiting one.. hitting the S's, that requires skills.
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Rowing through gears effeciently takes some skill. YOu really have to know your car. I think Sonnick had a video of him running up the gears in his 6th gen. Seemed pretty fast.
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^^ Thanks.

Nighthawk.. All I said was that I can drive, meaning shift very well. Shifting definitely takes some skill or everyone would be a great driver, but they're not. I'm not sure why you had to come at me like that, I don't appreciate it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuhRFpKwrjk

I think that's the video you were referring to SixSpeeder.
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Rowing through gears effeciently takes some skill. YOu really have to know your car. I think Sonnick had a video of him running up the gears in his 6th gen. Seemed pretty fast.
x2. According to Motor Trend etc. my Civic EX and the 6th gen EX are pretty close in acceleration, but my Civic is noticeably slower than that Accord.
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This statement also boggles me. Your friend must need some driving lessons. Simply,..IX's have a larger turbo and MIVEC to help the top end vs. the VIII, and traps 103-105mph on average, the ms3 will stop the pull a bit (not completely) after 100mph, but the MS3 surely wont pull 2 cars lengths.
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The speed 3 is boost limited and 1st and 2nd gear and being front wheel drive doesn't help any from a dig. The speed 3 only traps at 101mph stock because it's boost limited in the 1st 2 gears, but when your doing a 3rd gear pull it's not boost limited any more and will compete with cars that trap 104-105mph. On the highway a stock speed3 Will take down a stock evo 9MR from a 60-120 roll by 2 cars all day long, sorry


Here's the 1st race:

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Here's the 2nd race:

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Sure looks like 2 cars to me.....

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^^ Thanks.

Nighthawk.. All I said was that I can drive, meaning shift very well. Shifting definitely takes some skill or everyone would be a great driver, but they're not. I'm not sure why you had to come at me like that, I don't appreciate it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuhRFpKwrjk

I think that's the video you were referring to SixSpeeder.
sorry didn't mean to offend you.. shifting does take effort and you're right, some drivers shift smoother, faster, and better than others. however when it comes down to it, a street race is still a street race, and it's not easy to determine a good driver from a street race as 75% of that race is reaction time, and 25% of horsepower.. maybe after 3-4 pulls one can make a judgement, but until they're on the track. lauching skills, shifting, and many other factors of driving play a role in your time being good or bad, and whos faster and better and whos not... i'm not a fan of drag but its cool and fun to know your potentials, road racing is more of my preference, where aggressive driving skills come into play, suspension, allignment, tire pressure, downshifting, braking, etc.
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man Evos are a pain to take out from a stop even on a modfied E46 M3, from a roll...they're just like any other car..120mph and then the forever climb to 150 takes over.
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The speed 3 is boost limited and 1st and 2nd gear and being front wheel drive doesn't help any from a dig. The speed 3 only traps at 101mph stock because it's boost limited in the 1st 2 gears, but when your doing a 3rd gear pull it's not boost limited any more and will compete with cars that trap 104-105mph. On the highway a stock speed3 Will take down a stock evo 9MR from a 60-120 roll by 2 cars all day long, sorry


Here's the 1st race:

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Here's the 2nd race:

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Sure looks like 2 cars to me.....
Gotta love that Mazda Torque Nanny on the speed 3. Honestly, from 0T's video and the ones you posted, I can't really tell if both cars were really even "racing" each other. I can vouch for what Si is saying that the Mazda Torque Nanny for on the Speed 3 limits performance in 1st and 2nd gear, and it is a different car from a 3rd gear roll than the 1/4 mile traps totally would indicate. They pull reasonably well....
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LOL, both cars are stock and those races went to 120+ MPH but both being stock and so quiet it sure is hard to tell Yeah the same guy now has a intake/ down pipe and test pipe only and he traps at 105mph and he's able to be locked from 60 to 130mph with a mustang that traps at almost 108mph. usually the mph in the 1/4 mile is a good indicator on how quick the car is from a roll but the MS3 is not quite true because of the boost limitation of 1st and 2nd gear.
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Your vids obviously contradict the vid I posted. There are underlying circumstances unknown since both vids we posted were supposedly stock cars, but had to way different outcomes.....what do u think about that? Interesting about the boost changes between gears in the MS3. Never heard of that before.
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Your vids obviously contradict the vid I posted. There are underlying circumstances unknown since both vids we posted were supposedly stock cars, but had to way different outcomes.....what do u think about that? Interesting about the boost changes between gears in the MS3. Never heard of that before.
The torque nanny just won't let it go full boost. If it did it would be up in tire smoke anyhow!
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The torque nanny just won't let it go full boost. If it did it would be up in tire smoke anyhow!
Yup, very true....

The throttle plate closes in 1st and 2nd gear.

I though Cobb was working on a way to fix that but not sure when they cam out with tha accessport if they did or not.
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nice kill. actually i completely belive u. i have 2005 6 speed v6 accord coupe and i am even with 6 speed 5.7 gtos from 25 roll. and a stage 1 srt4 i took by half car.

so from a roll im positive i can take evo or sti.
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Your vids obviously contradict the vid I posted. There are underlying circumstances unknown since both vids we posted were supposedly stock cars, but had to way different outcomes.....what do u think about that? Interesting about the boost changes between gears in the MS3. Never heard of that before.
The vids that I posted I know were stock because the 2 guys racing are my 2 best friends and I was taping . Many people with the MS3 shift at redline(7000rpm)(makes 5lbs) where boost falls on it's face at 6000rpm(makes over 14lbs). Hell I beat a MS3 from a 50mph roll in my SI because he was taking it to redline every gear and bounching of the rev limiter, hahahaha... Some times you beat the car other times you beat the driver.
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