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Old May 9th, 2003, 10:30 PM   #1
 
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The new 2003 Camry V6 has a 210hp 220lb engine..
so anyone knows how its time for 0-60 ??
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I got 7.8 seconds 0-60 and 16.0 in the quarter-mile using CarTest. For comparison I got 8.1 and 16.3 for the '02 Camry which is pretty close to the mag times I've seen for it.
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Stevtec got 15.3 in the 1/4 mile with the info that was available at the time. And Stevtec told me the 2002 Camry did 15.6 in the 1/4 mile so I am not sure who's numbers are correct.

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No the older 97-01 Camry V6 auto ran a best of 15.6. The 02 Camry is heavier and probably wouldn't repeat that.

The 03 with the VVT-i engine and 5AT is sweet though. Lots of torque, awesome engine, and a 5AT with super aggressive gearing. It will give an 03 AV6 auto a very good run for its money. I wouldn't be surprised if this Camry could edge out an AV6 up to around 80 or so since it has a ton of torque. Beyond that and on the highway though an AV6 is still going to win.
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Old May 11th, 2003, 08:02 AM   #5
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Oh, it's a 5-speed auto. Hmm...that will change things a bit. Let me replace the four speed with the ES300's 5AT and I'll see what numbers I come up with.
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Okay, I changed it from 4AT to 5AT and I got 7.1 0-60 and [email protected] for the quarter-mile ET. Not bad. It would definitely beat a 6th Gen
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7.1 ?!?!? no way..
the new AV6 do it in 7.0.. but 20 more hp??
well the new 3.0 in AV6 is better than the camry 3.0.. since it's one of the 10 best engines..
so i don't think camry is that fast???

haha i just don't want camry to beat AV6 b4 2002..
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There is a fair amount of evidence out there that suggests that the 1MZ-FE engine is rated on regular fuel, but will pickup a fair amount of power on premium, similar to the J30A4. If that is the case, the car will do...

0-60: 6.5s
1/4 mile: 15.1 @ 92

Now compare that to the Gen7 AV6 which runs 15.0 @ 93-94


Because of all the torque, that means the Camry is actually ahead for most of the race (beats it 0-60) but the AV6 comes inching by in the last half with its higher trap speed (better top-end means better sustained acceleration) and wins by about half a car.
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No the older 97-01 Camry V6 auto ran a best of 15.6. The 02 Camry is heavier and probably wouldn't repeat that.
Ok now I know that. But at least you are here to help .

Though I could have sworn you said 2003 Camry , oh well I was just confused .

And even though the 2004 Camry will be as fast doesn't mean it will be fun to drive. The car is designed for an older audience while the 2003 Accord is made for the younger audience IMO.

The 2003 Accord interior is just more sporty/high-tech than the current gen Camry.




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Old May 12th, 2003, 04:51 AM   #10
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I'm mad that old farts in new V6 Camrys are going to own me on the highway from now on. IMO 80-100mph acceleration is the most impressive part of the 6th Gen's performance and known to be superior to the Camry but not anymore. One day I'll punch it at 80 on the way to 100 and a grandpa in a '03 Camry will blow past me like I'm not even moving
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The Accord is designed for an older audience also. Look at that big huge azz geriatric speedometer and the tiny little tach.

I think Nissan is marketed to the younger crowd much better.
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Yep..
Our AV6's are slow and designed for an older audience
I just got killed by a Jeep Grand Cherokee
this after my equally embarassing Buick Regal fiasco..
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Although.. I love the looks of my 6th gen coupe
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Our AV6's are slow and designed for an older audience
I just got killed by a Jeep Grand Cherokee
this after my equally embarassing Buick Regal fiasco..
JGC V8's are PDQ (pretty darn quick) as far as SUV's go. If it was the V8 model, don't feel too bad. They have V8 torque yet are still under 4000 lb and don't have the 4500-5000lb + heft of most other V8 SUV's. They are sleepers. The JGC V8 HO is freakin crazy. It will do a high-6 0-60 time and a low-15 1/4 mile, which is about what my Maxima will do! There's a guy here that has one of these.


My most embarassing moment ever in my AV6 was getting pulled on from 55-80 by a god damned 2002 Mercury Mountaineer V8, which has a weaker V8 and HEAVIER than the JGC V8. Not only did the b1tch pull on me, but she also CLIPPED my right front when she swerved in front of me.


That NEVER would have happened if I had either of the following.

a) A tranny that would freakin DOWNSHIFT to 2nd (just bogged in 3rd when 2nd goes up to 73)
b) An engine that actually had some TORQUE below 4000rpm.

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Now I know that there will always be someone, somewhere, that is faster than you. But when you guys are comparing these cars, are we talking non-modded vs. non-modded, or what? I find it hard to believe that any reasonably modded AV6 would get whupped by a fricking Mountaineer!

Maybe I need to sell mine now! A bunch of the old bastards around here (Iowa) drive Explorers or Mountaineers. And we have mini vans galore! The morning commute on the two lane blacktop is a joy.

Anyone have HP #'s on a Mountaineer? SteVTEC, any idea what model year it was? What have you done to your accord?
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Yup..it was a V8..I didn tknow that they were that light..they look pretty hefty..


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JGC V8's are PDQ (pretty darn quick) as far as SUV's go. If it was the V8 model, don't feel too bad. They have V8 torque yet are still under 4000 lb and don't have the 4500-5000lb + heft of most other V8 SUV's. They are sleepers. The JGC V8 HO is freakin crazy. It will do a high-6 0-60 time and a low-15 1/4 mile, which is about what my Maxima will do! There's a guy here that has one of these.


My most embarassing moment ever in my AV6 was getting pulled on from 55-80 by a god damned 2002 Mercury Mountaineer V8, which has a weaker V8 and HEAVIER than the JGC V8. Not only did the b1tch pull on me, but she also CLIPPED my right front when she swerved in front of me.


That NEVER would have happened if I had either of the following.

a) A tranny that would freakin DOWNSHIFT to 2nd (just bogged in 3rd when 2nd goes up to 73)
b) An engine that actually had some TORQUE below 4000rpm.

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My most embarassing moment ever in my AV6 was getting pulled on from 55-80 by a god damned 2002 Mercury Mountaineer V8, which has a weaker V8 and HEAVIER than the JGC V8. Not only did the b1tch pull on me, but she also CLIPPED my right front when she swerved in front of me.

OT: Iím really curious. What did you do to her after she clipped you? Did she stop so that you two could exchange info or did she just keep driving?
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That is pretty amazing the extra 10 pounds of torque make that big a differece in launches! Something sounds wrong to me
Camry 210hp 220 tq
Accord 240hp 212 tq

both on regular and the Camry will still walk me to 80
I didn't know 8lbs of torque would do so much
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It's not just the peak that matters.. where the peak is matters too
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Does anyone have charts on the new Camry?
I thought the new 6's had good torque curve.
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It's not just the extra torque in the Camry - it's the gearing also. I'm assuming the gearing I pulled from the ES330 will be pretty much the same on the Camry (although this is not official data), but take a look at the gearing analysis.

Accord V6 5AT: 43, 71, 108, 152
Camry V6 5AT: 34, 61, 95, 136

The Camry gears (if this is accurate) are SIGNIFICANLY shorter than the AV6's. 1st is a ton shorter which helps you get off the line in a hurry, along with the extra torque. Then 2nd and 3rd gear are spaced precisely for optimal 0-60 and 1/4 mile performance and will make stoplight and highway merging a breeze.

We have this same exact engine in our Highlander, and even our HL is PDQ (pretty darn quick) with this engine. The Camry is 550 lb lighter and has a more efficient FWD (vs AWD) drivetrain so this thing should seriously haul butt!

I haven't driven a J30A4 AV6, but the torque deficit along with much taller overall gearing will probably make it feel slower and less exciting than the Camry, which is actually pretty sad.
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Does anyone have charts on the new Camry?
I thought the new 6's had good torque curve.
Here's a dyno from a stock 98 Camry V6 5spd w/o VVT-i.

DYNO

As you can see, this sucker kicks out some serious torque. Puts out peak torque as low as 2700rpm. The dip at 3800rpm is from the variable intake manifold - yes the Camry V6 has a variable intake manifold whereas you have to buy an Acura to get a Honda V6 with one of these!

The 1MZ-FE VVT-i engine would look similar on the dyno - just with a much better top-end. The torque curve would stay a lot flatter past 4400 rpm, and power would keep building up to 5800rpm and then drop off. I have flogged out our HL a few times and that mofo just keeps on pulling all the way up to red.
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I haven't driven a J30A4 AV6, but the torque deficit along with much taller overall gearing will probably make it feel slower and less exciting than the Camry, which is actually pretty sad.
Whatís really sad IMO is that Toyota is doing this out of desperation. Changing the hole engine just to keep up. And doing it within the same gen as well is where that desperation shows up. Someone here said that Toyota could care less for having the fastest mid sized car but it's just not true or they wouldn't be doing this in the first place.

We are just going to have to wait and see what this Camry can really do.

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Here's a dyno from a stock 98 Camry V6 5spd w/o VVT-i.

DYNO
Why you showing a 5 speed M/T. This can't be compared to an auto AV6 due to drivetrain efficiency. If you are going to compare apples to apples then use apples for both of them. It only seems far .

This is just what I see. Some people never tell the other side of the story. I like to so this is why I posted this. You can agree with it or not but I canít see how this can be wrong.

And I am not bashing you Stevtec (I try not to). Just adding my points of view .



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It is pretty sad that Toyota is already updating the engine in only the second year of the 5th-gen Camry's life. They should have included the VVT-i engine in the redesign. It wasn't hard for them to do because the 1MZ-FE VVT-i has been in Toyota's parts bin for about 5 years now.
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Why you showing a 5 speed M/T. This can't be compared to an auto AV6 due to drivetrain efficiency. If you are going to compare apples to apples then use apples for both of them. It only seems far
The point of showing you that dyno was that you would at least have some idea of the curve shape. Curve shape is just as important as the all-out numbers are.

Toyota should have put the VVT-i V6 engine in the Camry to start off with. I have no idea why they didn't, and it surprised the crap out of a lot of Toyota folks when the V6 was left unchanged.
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yes. I do think that toyota is showing all its desperation!!
it's soo desperate that it hasn't fully updated its web page yet. The customer guide still say it's old hp and tq..
lol..

but a camry still handles worse than accord..
so there.. what's the point of goign fast if u can't turn? well unless u r only interested in drag races..
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The Accord can't turn worth a crap either. Skidpad and braking numbers actually got worse on the 2003 V6 vs the 2002 V6.

And Camry still outsold Accord in 2002. That was because the new Accord wasn't out yet though. I will be very curious to see 2003 sales numbers.
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I sell new Toyotas. The Camry changed engines in late January,(mid production year). The engine is a 3.3 with a 5 speed auto, not the same as the Highlander. The Highlander engine is the same as the avalon 3.0. Camry has out sold the accord 5 of the last 6 years and will outsell the accord again this year, already way ahead,(The year that it didnt is only because toyota cut their prodution to much at the end of 2001 model year and didnt have enough of the 2002 out for sell,thus falling short for total sales for 2001).I have driven the Camry with the new v6 and would be surprised if it did lower then 15.6 1/4. Just didnt feel it.
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I sell new Toyotas. The Camry changed engines in late January,(mid production year). The engine is a 3.3 with a 5 speed auto, not the same as the Highlander. The Highlander engine is the same as the avalon 3.0.
It says right on www.toyota.com that the Camry V6 now has a 3.0L 210HP, 220TQ engine. That's the 1MZ-FE with VVT-i.

I think you're confused with the new Solara. That one is the one with the 3.3L engine, the 3MZ-FE. 225HP and 240TQ or whatever it was. I forget exactly. Current Solara still has the non-VVT-i 3.0L 1MZ-FE.
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Go down to a toyota dealer and pop the hood and take a look. Make sure its not a older car on the lot because their are still some out their with the old engine, we still have one on are lot,(3.0 v6). Let me know what you see!!!
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