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Old June 7th, 2005, 12:02 PM   #1
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6.0 !!!

The latest review of the Avalon puts it on top of all others. Motor Trend? I think. 6.0 sec to 60 with great performance in all other areas.

Quote from the article had a warning to GM that Toyota has the formula right with this car. I could not agree more. You really cannot get this much car from anyone else for $30K.

Get one!

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While the 300M has a powerful V8 and RWD, the interior design and creature comforts are severely lacking compared to the Avalon's. And with the way gas prices are right now, I'd rather have a V6 than a V8. IMO, the Avalon is no longer considered an "old mans car" .



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Old June 8th, 2005, 02:13 AM   #3
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Me likes the new Avalons!
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Those things are damn slick, resembles the new GS.
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Old June 20th, 2005, 11:47 AM   #5
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I'd give kudos for the new 3.5l V6
With with 280 hp and 260ft.lb (6.0 sec 0-60mph) and 22/31 mpg for a car the size and weight of the Avalon, this is the most advanced engine I've ever heard of!

I would suppose the aerodynamics of Avalon is also superb, but even my Accord's 3.0l V6 (7.0 sec 0-60) only gets 21-30 mpg! and that's a Honda too!

It seems that Toyota has some secret recipe for their engines this time!

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Old June 20th, 2005, 07:01 PM   #6
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Low RPM TQ!!!
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Old June 21st, 2005, 05:03 PM   #7
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Low RPM TQ!!!

Actually I just found out ... its called TDI !! Toyota Direct Injection

Actually Honda already has this technology implemented on their smaller 4-cyl engines (L series). I think Honda calls it i-DSI.

Hopefully Honda will implement this on their larger ones soon!
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Old June 21st, 2005, 05:51 PM   #8
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Old June 21st, 2005, 11:23 PM   #9
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The only major N/A enhancement this engine is missing is valve lift (Vtec, VVTL-i, MIVEC, etc).

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Actually I just found out ... its called TDI !! Toyota Direct Injection

Actually Honda already has this technology implemented on their smaller 4-cyl engines (L series). I think Honda calls it i-DSI.

Hopefully Honda will implement this on their larger ones soon!
i-DSI is a twin spark per cylinder ignition system found on Honda's L series engines. i-Vtec I is Honda's name for direct injection.

i-DSI: http://world.honda.com/news/2001/4010518.html

i-Vtec I: http://world.honda.com/HDTV/news/2003-4031127a/



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Old June 21st, 2005, 11:32 PM   #10
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I don't buy the exterior on Avalon, but interior is great.
Button line it beats Acura RL in performance
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Old June 22nd, 2005, 10:47 PM   #11
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Well the RL is about 4,000lb + AWD. The Avalon is only 3,500lb.

Dunno .. but I'm puzzled in how Toyota managed to get the Avalon's weight so low. Carbon fiber? no way.
So I can only be skeptical that the Avalon's frame is not as taut as it needs to be.
The other thing I can't imagine is having 260 ft.lb of torque on a FWD platform .. yikes!
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Well the RL is about 4,000lb + AWD. The Avalon is only 3,500lb.

Dunno .. but I'm puzzled in how Toyota managed to get the Avalon's weight so low. Carbon fiber? no way.
So I can only be skeptical that the Avalon's frame is not as taut as it needs to be.
The other thing I can't imagine is having 260 ft.lb of torque on a FWD platform .. yikes!
Not sure how they did it either. The XL (lowest trim) is 3,490lbs and the Limited (highest trim) is 3,600lbs. The Camry SE V6 is 3,450lbs, so you would think a car this big would be heavier. Though the 2005 Maxima SE auto (5 passenger) only weighs 3,501lbs. The RL is much heavier mainly because of the ACE body structure and AWD.



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Old June 23rd, 2005, 03:31 PM   #13
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It even has 10airbags (knee, side, curtains, front, rear curtains) lol.. so if it gets 5 stars in crash testing, that could also mean that the frame is sufficient.

The only thing wrong with the exterior at least in my opinion, is that the front headlights look like they belong on an Echo b/c of their odd shape.
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Old September 2nd, 2005, 02:54 AM   #14
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I don't buy the exterior on Avalon, but interior is great.
Button line it beats Acura RL in performance
Well? With a little touch, you can chage that exterior look.




I like it!

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Old September 2nd, 2005, 09:01 AM   #15
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Old September 4th, 2005, 05:05 PM   #16
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Those wheels still dont look as good that blackened touring wheels. Sorry.
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Old September 27th, 2005, 07:05 PM   #17
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I believe the new IS350 has the same engine as the Avalon. Anyone know why the IS350 is rated at 26 more hp then the Avalon?
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I think its based on the same engine, but the IS might have different powerband tuning
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Old September 28th, 2005, 09:47 AM   #19
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They may share the same engine code, 2GR-FE, but they are completely different animals. The cylinder heads (incl. cams, valves), manifolds, pistons, and injectors are totally different. The IS350 gets the 2GR-FE with direct injection, so it becomes the 2GR-FSE. So, the IS350's 2GR-FSE not only has 6 injectors that deliver fuel directly into the combustion chamber, it also has more injectors in the intake manifold to further optimize the air/fuel ratio.
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oh wow Docdoor well said... One question, does the IS have better fuel econ that Avalon?

I'm looking for a good replacement to my 01 V6 Accord sedan. I have 225/45/17 potenza 730's.. they stick like glue ... I hope the Avalon won't disappoint too much on that front?

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Actually you guys here are the new engine specs for the Avalon:
http://toyota.com/avalon/specs.html

Haha, they actually listed the Coefficient of Drag to the thousands place 0.291

3.5-liter DOHC 24-valve Dual VVT-i V6
268 hp @ 6200 rpm
248 lb.-ft. @ 4700 rpm

The new GS300 is also pretty cool it has a better 3.0L V6 than Honda with the following specs:
http://lexus.com/models/gs/specifications.html
245 hp @ 6,200 rpm,
230 tq @ 3,600 rpm

too bad it weigh 3759 pounds!
I would have thought that Toyota could have done better with a 3.0L V6 that is DOHC and has direct fuel injection.

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oh wow Docdoor well said... One question, does the IS have better fuel econ that Avalon?

I'm looking for a good replacement to my 01 V6 Accord sedan. I have 225/45/17 potenza 730's.. they stick like glue ... I hope the Avalon won't disappoint too much on that front?
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Well the IS350ís 2GR-FSE 3.5-liter engine utilizes both port- and direct-fuel injection. This optimizes the fuel mixture, particularly in both light and medium load conditions, creating a precise burn, higher output, aiding drivability, lower emissions and fuel economy. The new direct fuel injection system provides a cooling effect in the cylinders, which allowing higher compression ratios. The combination of these technologies contributes to substantial improvements in both performance and fuel economy. The prelimary combined miles-per-gallon estimate is in the high 20ís. It is not officially rated.

Now on my Avalon it is rated 22 / 31 mpg. I averaged 29 miles per gallon mostly in highway driving and in the low 20ís in the city that is under normal driving. Now driving aggressive Iíve got down to ligh 18ís. Well you have to take in concideration that Iím on a wider set of tires than the original.

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This will be my next car Spring 2006
I need those large backseats for my kids.....

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Well the IS350ís 2GR-FSE 3.5-liter engine utilizes both port- and direct-fuel injection. This optimizes the fuel mixture, particularly in both light and medium load conditions, creating a precise burn, higher output, aiding drivability, lower emissions and fuel economy. The new direct fuel injection system provides a cooling effect in the cylinders, which allowing higher compression ratios. The combination of these technologies contributes to substantial improvements in both performance and fuel economy. The prelimary combined miles-per-gallon estimate is in the high 20ís. It is not officially rated.

Now on my Avalon it is rated 22 / 31 mpg. I averaged 29 miles per gallon mostly in highway driving and in the low 20ís in the city that is under normal driving. Now driving aggressive Iíve got down to ligh 18ís. Well you have to take in concideration that Iím on a wider set of tires than the original.

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Thanks for the clarification... The Avalon competes with the Maxima right? If so does it handle close to it? I haven't driven either... I've driven my bro's 2005 Solara sle V6 (3.3L) though and it's a great car, kinda fun, but leans a bit in turns, need to find sway bars I guess for Solara, but how is Avy compared to Solara in terms of driving?
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