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Old August 8th, 2003, 05:26 PM   #1
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2004 Camry SE to get 3.3L V6

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Camry will receive a new 3.3-liter V6 engine for the sportier SE model, which will increase horsepower by 15 to 225 hp and boost torque by 20 lb.-ft, to 240. The Camry SE will carry an MSRP of $23,315, an increase of $50, or 0.2 percent. The Camry LE and XLE grades remain unchanged from the previous model year, maintaining their excellent value with no price increase for 2004. Camry four-cylinder models range in price from $19,045 for the LE with a manual transmission to $22,295 for the XLE automatic. Models with the 3.0-liter V6 range in price from $22,260 for the LE grade to $25,405 for the premium XLE grade.
I have done some preliminary number crunching in CarTest, and due to very aggressive gearing, and shia loads of TORQUE, the new Camry SE V6 could very well be able to beat the Gen7 AV6 in street races, even if the AV6 is on premium gas.

60', 330', 0-60, and the 1/8th mile the Camry will be able to show the AV6 its tail lights. Beyond that though, the J30A4's superior 240/250 HP top-end will be able to run down the Camry on the highway and in the last half of the 1/4 mile. A Gen7 on regular could still get beat, but a Gen7 on premium should be able to pull at least a car ahead by the 1/4 mile mark.


The updated Camry SE V6 is no joke.
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Well now the Camry has real balls (well on the SE model) .

But the bad thing is that you can't get this engine in the XLE V6 model. If Toyota was smart they would just put this new 3.3L V6 in all three V6 model trims. I am sure just like me, many want the highest luxury model with the most powerful engine possible.

But at least the same 3.3L engine is inside a coupe (2004 Solara) so this still looks like an engine that might be inside my next car. You never know .



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Toyota is doing a global changeover from the 3.0L 1MZ-FE to the 3.3L 3MZ-FE engine. Well, at least in the US market. It looks like they'll be using the Camry LE/XLE V6 models to burn up the rest of their volume part contracts for the 3.0L 1MZ-FE. Once that occurs, the LE/XLE will be getting the 3.3L engine also, probably sometime in the 2005 model year.
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Damn, now grandpas in Camrys will be able to own the shia out of a lot of cars I'm alright with there being a fast Camry available because I'm all for any mid-size car that can put a 7th gen AV6 in its place. Unfortunately, the 240HP number has gone to their heads and they think they have the fastest sedan ever made They'll take a huge hit in pride when they pull up next to granpa in his '04 Camry SE V6 and get pulled on
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i actually like the solara

i wish i had that car
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Re: 2004 Camry SE to get 3.3L V6

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Originally posted by SteVTEC on August 8th, 2003 at 07:26 PM

....the new Camry SE V6 could very well be able to beat the Gen7 AV6 in street races, even if the AV6 is on premium gas.

60', 330', 0-60, and the 1/8th mile the Camry will be able to show the AV6 its tail lights.
On this thread http://www.v6performance.net/forums/...hlight=solara, you have some "projected" times for the 04 3.3 Camry and the 03 3.0 AV6 (premium fuel). They both show an identical 1/8th mile time of 9.85 seconds. I'm confused. If they both turn the same time in the 660', please explain how that is having "the Camry show the AV6 its tail lights".

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You're only thinking in 2-dimensions (time to distance). Try thinking in 3 (time vs distance vs speed) and look closer at the points before 660'.
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That 3.3 liter V6 is still slower than good old J30A 3.0 liter.

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depends how you're measuring. torque ownz honda.
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depends how you're measuring. torque ownz honda.
I guess torque doesn't own 1/4mile or highway roll.

I wanna see that 240torque passing J30A4 in 1/4mile or from a roll.
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I guess torque doesn't own 1/4mile or highway roll.

I wanna see that 240torque passing J30A4 in 1/4mile or from a roll.
yup, there goes your typical honda owner again, always wanting to race from a roll
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yup, there goes your typical honda owner again, always wanting to race from a roll
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yup, there goes your typical honda owner again, always wanting to race from a roll
I also said 1/4mile.
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Right. And if the 3.3L Cam and the 3.0L Accord go from a dead stop up to 60-70 mph or so, chances are good that the Accord is gonna get so what's your point?

The Camry is quicker at 70 and below.
The Accord is quicker at 70 and above.

Pick which one gives you the best performance for your type of driving.
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I suddenly feel sad when we are arguing fiercely about which family car is faster. It doesn't really matter, camry, ACCORD, alitma, they are all just family car, sad, sad people...
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That 3.3 liter V6 is still slower than good old J30A 3.0 liter.

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Yeah, maybe when the 3.3 is installed in a Sienna minivan it is. But as the motivator in a Camry or Solara, it's going to give a lot of torque challenged Honda owners the opportunity to examine current Toyota taillight design, while they wait for their horsepower edge to gradually pull them back into the game -- which won't happen until well past U.S. street legal speeds. . .

There's a reason why Honda had to go with a larger engine, the 3.5, for its minivan and mid-SUV, whereas Toyota could use the "sedan" engine (1MZ-FE and now 3MZ-FE): the Toyota engines generate sufficient torque to handle the heavier vehicles, but the hp-biased Honda engines don't.

Also, don't overlook the RPM range at which the engines make their torque. While the Toyota engines aren't exactly low RPM grunt specialists, they do make their much higher torque at much lower RPM levels than the Honda engines. The new 3MZ 3.3 generates peak torque (240 ft-lb) at only 3,600 rpm*. The Honda's meager 212 ft-lb doesn't come on until 5,000 rpm! Bottom line: it's much easier to take advantage of maximum torque in a Toyota than it is in a Honda where you'll have to flog it to get any semblance of performance.

* Twenty years ago, in a far less enlightened time of my life, I bought myself a brand new 1983 Trans Am Firebird as a college graduation reward. While I'm now slightly embarassed at the idea of having owned a car with large bird stencils on it, I note for the discussion that this was exactly the torque spec for the 5.0L V-8 that came in that car, 240 ft-lb at 3600 rpm (hp? don't ask -- 150!!!)

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The J35 does a great job of moving the Odyssey/Pilot/MDX around very fast. Though would do much better in a car like the Accord . The 2004 TL is said to have this engine but nothing is certain yet.

Here's some Honda history. The 1st gen Odyssey Minivan was powered by a 2.2L SOHC Vtec inline 4 with 140 HP. Though the first gen Odyssey was a lot lighter than the 2nd gen one.



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Right. And if the 3.3L Cam and the 3.0L Accord go from a dead stop up to 60-70 mph or so, chances are good that the Accord is gonna get so what's your point?

The Camry is quicker at 70 and below.
The Accord is quicker at 70 and above.

Pick which one gives you the best performance for your type of driving.
Not really.

since when 0-70mph was considered as true track time?

afterall, until the whole world changes one day, 1/4mile is so far the most popular measurement to determine which car is "faster".

Accord is faster than Camry at 1/4mile track. Period.
Accord is faster than Camry from any highway speed. Period.
Camy is faster than Accord from 0-70. Great!

2:1 =

steve with camry: "oh i raced an accord and smoked him."
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steve with camry: "nahhh....................."
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just messin wit ya steve.
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yup, there goes your typical honda owner again, always wanting to race from a roll
What else can you do if you have crappy low-end . If you can't own them from a stop, own them from a roll .
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Accord is faster than Camry at 1/4mile track. Period.
Accord is faster than Camry from any highway speed. Period.
Camy is faster than Accord from 0-70. Great!

2:1 =
Hmmmmm. And how often do we have the chance to do "pure" 1/4 mile runs in the real world?

Accord faster at "any" highway speed? I suppose, as long as we define "any" as really meaning "any speed above 70 or so..."

Yeah, I can live with listening to real-world-owned Honda whiners taking solace in the fact that IF we were at the track, they WOULD HAVE owned me.

So, what do you think about the Gen-5 taillights?
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Hmmmmm. And how often do we have the chance to do "pure" 1/4 mile runs in the real world?
On the crowded east coast, that would be approximately never.

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Accord faster at "any" highway speed? I suppose, as long as we define "any" as really meaning "any speed above 70 or so..."
...which is already breaking most speed limits.

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Yeah, I can live with listening to real-world-owned Honda whiners taking solace in the fact that IF we were at the track, they WOULD HAVE owned me.

So, what do you think about the Gen-5 taillights?
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Not really.

since when 0-70mph was considered as true track time?

afterall, until the whole world changes one day, 1/4mile is so far the most popular measurement to determine which car is "faster".
It may be the most popular, but the number of times your driving in the "real world" mimics that of a 1/4 mile drag race is almost never. So how realistic of a measurement is it? 0-60, 1/8th mile, and passing times (30-50, 50-70) are much more relevant.

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Accord is faster than Camry at 1/4mile track. Period.
Accord is faster than Camry from any highway speed. Period.
Camy is faster than Accord from 0-70. Great!

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The Camry is faster where it counts at real-world speeds. The Accord is only faster on paper in situations most people will never put themselves or their cars in. A highway drag from 70 mph? Flat out for 1/4 mile solid?? Right.

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just messin wit ya steve.
Actually I would distinguish between how different cars perform differently at different speeds with their various powerbands and how it really was possible for the Camry to beat the Accord despite the Accord being a quicker 1/4 mile car. Just because a car is quicker in the 1/4 mile doesn't mean that it is quicker from every speed.

But then I would just get flamed anyways.
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So, what do you think about the Gen-5 taillights?

Your sig says 2003 Camry so I am guessing you will be trading it in on a 2004 with the 3.3 otherwise as I am still running on Premium you will see my taillights even up to 60. I will have to check out the 2004 though.
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The 2003 VVT-i could still pull a little off the line and up to about 50 or 60. After that it's pretty much toast though. Gearing is much more aggressive on the Toyota tranny than the Honda.
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Gearing is much more aggressive on the Toyota tranny than the Honda.
What about the final drive ratios? How do they compare?
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