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Old August 23rd, 2007, 09:18 AM   #1
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Cool Recommend a DSLR for a beginner

Hey Guys,

I'm in the market for a DSLR but I don't want to break the bank for one especially since I'm a novice. I will still be learning so what would be a good learning camera? I was looking at these two:


Canon Digital Rebel XT

Nikon D40

Any help will be appreciated!
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Old August 23rd, 2007, 10:44 AM   #2
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i find alot of n00bs with the canon digital rebel.

the pictures look good too - i'd say +1 for the canon
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D40 ftw. DocX would agree.
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Old August 23rd, 2007, 02:58 PM   #4
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I am partial here; I just bought the Nikon D40 from Amazon for $535 shipped. It's the kit camera so it came with the Nikkor 18-55mm lens. I bought some other goodies and I'm still easily under a grand. This camera was made for the beginner, so it's controls are intuitive, but there is still plenty of room to grow into it. One of the things that tipped me over to the Nikon side (as opposed to the obvious competitor, Canon) was it's ability to automatically adjust the ISO settings (auto-ISO) for each lighting situation. As a beginner with limited understanding of the requirements for differing scenarious, this feature is invaluable, as I didn't want to be constantly worrying if I had it set correctly.
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where are you guys buying the DSLR's?
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Old August 23rd, 2007, 07:11 PM   #6
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www.beachcamera.com/shop/home.aspx
www.bhphotovideo.com/
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www.amazon.com <--- where I got mine.
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oh this is very good information and a good thread as i've started to have a growing interest as well.
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i new to slr and jut got myself a used 20d.. its a great start from what i was recommeneded
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Old August 23rd, 2007, 07:32 PM   #9
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A few images from my D40:

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Nothing too spectacular, but I do learn something new every time I'm out shooting.
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I have both a Nikon D40 and a D80 and they're both great. I love the feel of the Nikon bodies, the great menus, and a lot of the automated things in the Nikons that the Canons don't do (Auto ISO, Auto Contrast, etc) allow you to concentrate on shooting more and fiddling with camera settings less. The D40 is so easy to use that my wife can use it.

Don't just listen to anybody here though. Try them out for yourself in your own hands and see how they fit and how easily you can reach the controls since that's the most important. My D80 fits my hand like a glove, but the D40 is a bit to small and is sorta awkward (as are the Canon Rebels). But the D40 is perfect for my wife. Also, if you have friends or relatives with either systems, you can borrow equipment and lenses from them to try stuff out. I'd stick with either Nikon or Canon and avoid Sony and Pentax despite the cheaper prices on their bodies. Nikon and Canon have huge user bases so there's a lot more used equipment available for cheap, and you never know if Sony or Pentax are going to wave the red flags sometime down the line leaving you with an investment in equipment but no upgrade path.
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Old August 23rd, 2007, 08:15 PM   #11
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Ive been using canon, but i think the D40 would be better for a beginner, and as a lower budget camera...
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oh yeah, the big big downside of the Nikon D40 is that it only works with AF-S type lenses, which means lenses with built in focusing motors. A lot of the best and classic Nikon lenses along with pretty much all of the high speed primes are non AF-S (regular AF type) and need the in-body screw focusing drive that the D40 lacks. So my 35mm f/2, 50mm f/1.8, and 85mm f/1.8 primes won't work on the D40 (the lens does and you can take pictures, but no auto focus which is a PITA). If you're interested in those types of lenses and like the Nikon bodies and system better, look for used D50, D70/D70s, or even a used D80, all of which get incrementally more expensive.

Another thing to look at is the price of the various lenses in the different systems. Turns out that a lot of the lenses I want for my Nikon are far more expensive in the Nikon system than in the Canon system. Canon lenses tend to be a bit cheaper.
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I think I'm going to get the Nikon. I'm basing it on ease of use, and I'll be able to reuse the many SD memory cards I already have. I don't plan to buy too many lenses for it because it will be my "learning" camera. Once I've gotten a little more educated and confident about my picture taking abilities, then I'll get a higher end DSLR and get the lenses for those.

Thanks for all of the help photo gurus! Feel free to add more info and insight for others who decide to delve into the DSLR world.
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Old August 24th, 2007, 12:49 PM   #14
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I have a D80 and i love it!!!
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the D80 is ballin'! hahaha...maybe later I can get one of those $1000 and up SLR's
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I finally got my D40!...no other accessories yet but I will after I get some more parts for the other toy.

I also picked up a Nikon Coolpix S50 for the wife. And I now have a bunch of spare accessories and parts from the older digital cameras and a Pentax that will not stay on. Do you guys think I'll be able to sell 'em?
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I finally got my D40!...no other accessories yet but I will after I get some more parts for the other toy.

I also picked up a Nikon Coolpix S50 for the wife. And I now have a bunch of spare accessories and parts from the older digital cameras and a Pentax that will not stay on. Do you guys think I'll be able to sell 'em?
well if it has a problem staying on, then i dont think you'd be able to sell them. i suggest donating them to a goodwill or something and getting a tax writeoff if they're still worth something.
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D40

Sold one to a lady yesterday. I'm gonna try and save up for the D80 or D200



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Hmm...am I the ONLY using Canon here now 40D here I come! hehehe.
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Teirs has a 10D.

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I think I'm going to get the Nikon. I'm basing it on ease of use, and I'll be able to reuse the many SD memory cards I already have. I don't plan to buy too many lenses for it because it will be my "learning" camera. Once I've gotten a little more educated and confident about my picture taking abilities, then I'll get a higher end DSLR and get the lenses for those.

Thanks for all of the help photo gurus! Feel free to add more info and insight for others who decide to delve into the DSLR world.
Just curious....I've found the Canon XTi to be very easy to use as well. I always hear talk about Nikon being easy. Is there something inherent in the XTi that people are finding hard to use? I know you already got the D40 so this point is moot anyways. I'm just curious to see if you tried the XTi as well.

Eric: why do you think the D40 would be better for a beginner? I'm on both the Nikon and Canon forums so I do read both sides and understand a lot is a matter of how one likes the menu system and controls, however, I see plenty of beginners doing just as fine on the XTi as any other camera.

DSLR's in general have a steep learning curve regardless of camera body so everyone should keep that in mind when getting one. I highly recommend those free classes that Ritz offers (if you bought from them) or even just a basic one from your local community college.
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It's not that the XTi is hard to use, it's just that Nikons are easier to use. The menus are easy to navigate and make sense. Sometimes with the Canons (at least for the older ones) I've thought that the menus were a bit much for someone who didn't know what they were looking at.



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Sold one to a lady yesterday. I'm gonna try and save up for the D80 or D200
Do you work at a Best Buy or something? Is there employee discounts??
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I'm OG and I use an old 300D. Oooh rah.
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The REALLY good store discounts come around only at certain times of the year. I can get a D200 for $1,100 when it normally is about $1,500

D80 kit I can get for under a G also.
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The REALLY good store discounts come around only at certain times of the year. I can get a D200 for $1,100 when it normally is about $1,500

D80 kit I can get for under a G also.

Old school! Is it silver or black?
how much can you get a nikon 18-200mm for?
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I haven't checked to see if I can get that lens.



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main diff between a 20d and a d40?
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Hmm...I'm still using the Digital Rebel. yes...the original 300D DSLR that started it all. You can see some of m latest shots in my Euro Trip thread.

Canon 20D and Nikon D40? goto www.dpreview.com and you'll get a good idea. Those two are not even in the same league. Even the XTi and D40 can't really be compared either. In fact, Canon doesn't have a low cost camera to compete w/ the Nikon D40. As Steve mentioned before, the D40 can only use Nikon AF-S lenses which locks you out of the 100+ Nikon lenses out there. Canon's EF-S system allows you to use their newest 1.6 crop lenses as well as the 100+ Canon EF lenses out there. Canon fanatics say that Canon doesn't need to stoop so low as to put out a stripped down Canon for the masses. However, speculation is that Nikon is having the last laugh because the D40 is selling pretty darn well due to some smart marketing and its low price range.

A lot is also how each feel in your hands, how the buttons work, etc... Canon lenses tend to be a LOT more numerous than Nikon and at cheaper prices for pretty much the same quality. Nikon has a bad habit of releasing some really great lenses and then not being able to stock them fast enough. I read somewhere that Nikon doesn't even make their own sensors....Sony makes them for them because Nikon doesn't have a chip making facility. I dunno if its true or not, but if it is....we should soon see Sony catching up rather rapidly with their Alpha series.

A lot of pro/advanced amateurs still use the Canon 20D. They wouldn't touch a D40 w/ a 10 foot pole. <=== which also applies to Nikon users and their D200. Even they wouldn't touch the D40 at all.

All this being said and after reading all the specs and reviews....it all still comes down to the person pressing that shutter button
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