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Old May 23rd, 2007, 11:48 AM   #1
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SteVTEC the honda hater who constantly bags on Hondas

Yeah I hate Hondas and constantly bag on them. They believe in making you rev past 5000 rpm just to get some torque which I find annoying, and their automatic transmissions are poop.

But I also hate Toyotas for being the most incredibly bland and boring and personalityless cars on the planet.

And then I hate Nissan for having poorer quality and reliability than a lot of domestic vehicles nowadays despite still trying to pass themselves off as a high quality Japanese manufacturer. Yeah right.

And then I hate Mercedes because while their designs are beautiful, their reliability stinks due to their obsession with putting 60 bajillion electronic and other "features" into their cars which cause nothing but problems.

And then I hate Audi because they only make AWD cars, and I really don't have much interest in AWD cars.

And then I hate BMW because their current Inline-6 architecture is limited to about 3.0L in a 3.5L world. They slapped on some turbos and made a truly brilliant "35" class engine, but knowing BMW those suckers will blow up in everybody's faces a few years down the road.

Then there's Hyundai. Awesome low cost cars, but can't they come up with ANY sort of original styling? Every single friggin car they come out with is a direct knock off of another car to the point that it's shameless and completely uninspiring.

Then there's Ford, and their piss poor management. They have some truly awesome and head-turning cars in the European and Asian markets, so why don't they sell them here? They make a lot of stupid product decisions like renaming something fresh and original and brilliant called the Freestyle to "Taurus X", and the Five Hundred to "Taurus". WTF??! I also hate Ford for not having a good V6 for ages until now. I also hate Ford because they're "sellouts" and no longer make a consumer market pushrod V8 engine like GM and Chrysler continue to do very successfully.

Ah, Chrysler. I hate them because they only make inefficient brick shaped cars with crappy aerodynamics and resulting fuel economy in a $3-4/gal gas world. Then they take a BRILLIANT engine like the pushrod HEMI V8 and what do they do? Slap the thing in 4000 freakin pound pigs of cars which are also brick shaped with crappy aerodynamics. Despite that, a 300C still manages to get the same mileage as an Infiniti G35 which is way lighter, way more aerodynamic, and way less powerful. The charger is a flop, and also 4000 freakin pounds. Hey Chrysler, how bout an AERODYNAMIC mid-sized car with a V8 and about 3600-3800 lbs instead. The car would run 13's all day long in the 340hp version and get 28 mpg hwy.

Speaking of Infiniti, I love a lot of their cars, the quality is good for the most part (unlike Nissan), but they insist on building every single car with a VQ35 engine that gives V8 like thrust, but also drinks V8-like amounts of premium fuel. The Lexus 2GR-FSE engine is just as powerful if not more so while also being a ton more efficient.

As for Lexus, I think their "L-Finesse" design theme is a bunch of "el-crapola". The rear seat of the IS is so tiny that I laughed. I think a Civic has more room in the back. The rear overhang of the new GS is so short that I literally have to squat to get in and out of the thing in the back. What a joke. Then there's no manual trannys, non-defeatable traction and stability nanny controls, and the cars just have no "soul". BLAH!

Acura? bwhahwhahahahahhahHAhAHHAhaha.... The $50k RL "flagship" if you could call it that is using the same SOHC VTEC system as a 1993 Honda Civic. puhllease. And SH-AWD is nifty for the gadget freaks, but I still see it as more of a gimmick. The cars are still enormously nose heavy, will still act like FWD cars at the limits, and you just can't defeat physics like that. It's just something they could throw in the car because they wanted to sell something for more than $40k and knew it couldn't still have FWD. The cabin is cramped too. The TL is nice but also a bit cramped and is a rattle whore. No thanks.

Let's see, who else is there to pick on?

Oh yeah, GM, good ol GM. Lots of BRILLIANT new cars but they have no ability to market them properly becasue they still have way too bloody many divisions and far too limited resources to support all of them. There are truly a lot of gems in GM, except that nobody knows about them. GM LS-series pushrod V8's FTMFW. I love GM because they stuck with their brilliant pushrod engines even when everybody "thought" they were garbage. I have a lot of respect for that. Ford caved - BOO. Did Ford ever revive their 6.2L OHV V8 "HEMI/LS killer" engine program? Haven't heard a thing about it. BOOOOOO.

Almost forgot Volkswagen. I love a lot of their cars and the company as a whole is highly innovative coming out with stuff like DSG gearboxes, their 2.0 TFSI engine, weird VR6, VR5, and W8 engines, and all sorts of other cool stuff. That I respect. Unfortunately the price of being innovative like that is that you take the eye off the ball on quality, and VW's quality is TEH PITS.


Volvos I do like. But they no longer have nearly the quality and reliability that they used to, and it's not like other cars aren't as safe, and then they're also really expensive. Why bother?

Saab needs to go away. Few will miss them except for Saab fanboys, lol. In an era of ridiculously expensive gas I think a lot of people would have started to come around on those quirky old hatchback designs and all the versatility, EXCEPT THAT GM KILLED THAT PART OFF! Bring back the traditional hatchback Saabs already!

Mazdas I like also, but they always seem to be a bit down on power, a little on the small side, and the Mazdaspeed versions seem quirky. Anyways I don't need a turbocharged car. If Mazda had their 3.5L DOHC V6 out a few years ago it would have been hard to pass on a 6s when I was thinking of selling my Nissan off before it hit 100k miles. But back then they only had the crappy Ford Duratec 3.0L so forget it. I hate Mazda too!

Subaru: No real interest in AWD cars = no real reason for me to care. AWD makes the cars 200-300 lbs heavier, it sucks up gas, it takes away from acceleration, and makes cornering and braking poorer, and I wouldn't get any benefits from AWD 99.9999% of the time anyways so it seems like a big price to pay for something i'd get so little use out of.


I'm a professional fault finder. I'm PAID to critique and nit pick and find flaws in designs and systems and analyitcal methods for a living. All cars and brands suck in one way or another just like everything else does. That will never change so long as human beings are in charge of designing cars. So quit crying and just get over it if I happen to pick on your favorite brand of car. If you can't find ANY faults in your car and truly believe it to be perfect and that the design was graced by God then you're lucky, and also incredibly narrow minded.

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Old May 23rd, 2007, 11:53 AM   #2
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I'm sure I've forgotten some brands, so if you find one let me know and I'll "bag" on them too, lol.
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You skipped the Exotic Brands :P As well as the over-priced Mercedes known as Maybach
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Audi makes FWD You also forgot Mitsubishi
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Old May 23rd, 2007, 12:09 PM   #5
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awesome post. I actually read the whole thing.
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Old May 23rd, 2007, 12:15 PM   #6
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Audi makes FWD You also forgot Mitsubishi
Only fools buy FWD Audis, because you could get the same exact car from a competitor (even VW) for way less if all you want is FWD. The prestige factor in the brand is due in large part to Quattro. Getting an Audi without Quattro is sorta like buying a Honda without VTEC, lol. Anyways, back to not caring about AWD. I don't, but others do, so they can buy the car and not me. Too bad because I really do like a lot of Audi's newer styling.

Mitsubishi: They're a one car company, the EVO. Everything else is either a copy of something else or just lame. They've been giving their cars away for almost free though, so I guess that's where the appeal is. Quality has also gone striaght downhill. Honestly I'm surprised they're still in business, especially after the Chrysler group sold them off.
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wow, good post, read everything, and everythings true...
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Old May 23rd, 2007, 02:18 PM   #8
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Jeep is friggin stupid and I sorta included them in the whole Chrysler deal, but I hate them enough to give them a seperate mention. The Wrangler is ok, the Wrangler Unlimited is awesome, and the Grand Cherokee is good too. Liberty? Ok that gets a pass, barely. But WHAT THE HELL is the Commander, the Compass, and the Patriot??? The Commander is a gigantor 7 passenger Jeep. Yeah, AS IF Chrysler needed yet another giant BRICK SHAPED SUV. Isn't the Durango the same exact thing? And what the hell are the Compass and Patriot? Those I have no clue. They're literally just throwing stuff up on the wall seeing if they stick or not because they're that clueless.

Porsche: I hate them because of the abomination called the Cayenne. Sooooo many poseurs are running around in these things with the base V6 which is slow as crap. Even the V8 is slow because the stupid thing is 5500 lbs. If you want to get anywhere quick you need to step up to the twin turbo V8, but you know what? I bet a Grand Cherokee SRT-8 would still kick the thing's butt. What a disgrace to the Porsche name...

Lincoln deserves special mention within Ford. The one GOOD car they had, the "LS", they discontinued! It was RWD!! All it needed was the new 3.5L DOHC V6, and then the Mustang 4.6L V8 along with a freshening and it would have kicked butt. But no, they discontinued it. And then they had to switch all the names of their other cars to the "MKZ" instead of Zephyr which is actually distinctive. A reviewer of the new MKX actually confused the name and called it an MDX (an Acura!). Where's the classic Continental? How bout reviving that one?

Isuzu: Ok they have the Ascender which is a GM truck clone (trailblazer I think) and then the i-Series pickup which is a Chevy pickup truck. Can anybody tell me WHY this brand exists? Just put it out of its misery.

Jaguar: What the hell are these people doing? Most Jaguar dealerships are staying in business with combined Jag/Land Rover dealerships and then a healthy mix of USED cars like BMW's believe it or not. They need to reinvent the brand or sell it off and put it out of its misery. At least my vision of Jaguar is that every car ought to be sporty and have a powerful engine with a "snarling" sort of exhaust note that you can hear from a mile away, stock. lol.

HUMMER: Nuff said.
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i thought someone else made this thread and i was thinking - gg for him. but


AMEN to GM's situation freakin dug themselves a hole. financially theyre sp screwed.
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The car I finally buy to replace my Nissan will not be the one I like the most, but rather the one I hate the least, LOL.
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Lincoln deserves special mention within Ford. The one GOOD car they had, the "LS", they discontinued! It was RWD!! All it needed was the new 3.5L DOHC V6, and then the Mustang 4.6L V8 along with a freshening and it would have kicked butt. But no, they discontinued it. And then they had to switch all the names of their other cars to the "MKZ" instead of Zephyr which is actually distinctive. A reviewer of the new MKX actually confused the name and called it an MDX (an Acura!). Where's the classic Continental? How bout reviving that one
didn't those lincoln ls's have lots of electrical problems? I remember my freinds car had them also and i heard many other experienced the same.
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I'm sure they had problems just like every other car has problems. It was based off of a JAG platform, so what do you expect? Still, the POTENTIAL was there. Now all they have are these lamer FWD/AWD cars.

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Porsche: I hate them because of the abomination called the Cayenne. Sooooo many poseurs are running around in these things with the base V6 which is slow as crap. Even the V8 is slow because the stupid thing is 5500 lbs. If you want to get anywhere quick you need to step up to the twin turbo V8, but you know what? I bet a Grand Cherokee SRT-8 would still kick the thing's butt. What a disgrace to the Porsche name...
yeah you are right about porsche, the only reason they made the Cayenne is get into the SUV profit margins.

now they are producing the 4-door sedan

Porsche used to be one of those companies dedicated only to sport-cars, and now they are awash in SUV's and sedans

thank-god though cars like the cayman and 911GT3 still exist
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wot bout KIA???
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And then I hate BMW because their current Inline-6 architecture is limited to about 3.0L in a 3.5L world. They slapped on some turbos and made a truly brilliant "35" class engine, but knowing BMW those suckers will blow up in everybody's faces a few years down the road.
So ED Lease your 535i, you'll give it back before you have to worry about turbo failure. Plus you will get your MSD's back at the end of the lease to put down on your next one

Just pull the trigger...you know you want to
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bored much?

you didnt even touch on the exotic cars like ferarri and lamborghini
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Old May 23rd, 2007, 03:39 PM   #17
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Wow, this is a brilliant post.
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Old May 23rd, 2007, 05:23 PM   #18
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I agree...bring the Lincoln LS!!! That's the car I was going to get before I got the Accord... I wanted the V8, it was actually pretty quick except the gas just killed it for me. The LS had SOME performance available also...

+Isuzu...wtf?

The other company that's like Isuzu is the Mercury, wtf is that ****?
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I love this thread

I cant help but laugh when ever I read this:
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giant BRICK SHAPED SUV
Steve, check out the Top Gear Toyota Prius episode, I promise you this, you will laugh.

How about Suzuki, why are they still around in the car business? Cant they stick with motorcycles and call it a day. Why cant they be like Yamaha and just design engines/heads for other manufactuers.
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Ponitiac, Caddilac...Keep it coming this thread is genius
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I am going to have to read this when i have time.. LOST IS ON THOUGH
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Hey what about:
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Saturn?
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Mini?
Buick?
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Dodge?
GMC?
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+1 on the IS300 and current generation IS models. They have NO freakin leg room in the back!
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Land Rover:



That speaks for itself. In the past 5-10 years that company was sold off from the now defunct Rover over to BMW, and then BMW sold it off to Ford, so the cars are an absolute mess and Ford has been trying to retrofit a bunch of their systems in there when the BMW systems are no longer available. Ford can barely manage to get their OWN cars right, let alone try and fix somebody else's. The cars themselves are not bad, but the quality is rock bottom.

Suzuki: See above. And is Suzuki an actual CAR company or a social movement of some sort? Whenever I see a Suzuki commercial I just see a bunch of people screaming "SUZUKIIEEIIIIIII!" and I cringe.

Kia: See above. Hyundai at least makes some appealing cars that aren't bad in quality even if the styling is unoriginal and ripped off from other cars. KIA?? No distincitve cars, AND the quality stinks.
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Ponitiac, Caddilac...Keep it coming this thread is genius
Cadillac: A true renaissance from within GM. I like their newer cars, and the "V" line is brilliant. They don't look half bad, they're RWD, the powertrains are decent, but then I go and sit in one and look at the interior design and go what the hellllllllllllll is this? Ok that's nitpicking. Honestly it wouldn't stop me from buying one of the cars, except that a BMW 5-series at the Euro Delivery prices is the same price or cheaper. Cadillac or BMW, Cadillac or BMW. Hmmm.... This is where GM's labor unions are KILLING THEM because they can't price even their best cars to sell and break into the market big time.

Pontiac: I really like the Grand Prix and that 3800 engine. It's so good that even the base engine would be good enough for me, and the 4T65-E automatic is one of the best automatic trannys I've ever driven. You don't need more than 4 gears with a transmission as brilliant as that. But then I sat in the back seat. WTF? There's no support and the seats are flat as a board, and how could a larger mid-sized car have such an absolutely tiny and uncomfortable backseat? The car is poorly designed in that respect. The Torrent? Give me a ****ing break. The Vibe is a Toyota Matrix. The Solstice convertible is awesome except that it has STUPID GEARING. 1, 2, and 3 are fairly close together but then there's a loooooooooooooong gap up to 4th where the cars will get walked away on. Why the FAWK GM didn't put a 6spd manual in there is beyond me. Come on.... The GTO was brilliant but made it to the US too late, was a bit too expensive, and now the Aussie platform it was built on is discontinued while the redesign everything. Pontiac should be all RWD, and all performance cars. If they can't do that they could scuttle the whole division and just as easily make all the cars Chevys.
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I don't think Honda expected the RL to sell exceptionally well...
Honda is using the feedback from the RL into consideration for future products.
The NSX, Integra, Prelude, and S2000 had the same trickle down effect.

SH-AWD works and the new RDX and MDX have already been surprisingly well accepted as great handling cars.

I just think Honda needs to be a little more lenient with its "simplicity and efficiency gets the job done" policy.
It would be good for them to be a little more redundant with their engine designs to spice up their lineup. (DOHC V6 and maybe V8's?).

Currently Honda supposedly has a elongated S2000 with a 5L V10 running around Nurburgring, so I think there is hope that Honda is heading towards the right direction with their cars.

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If the Acura RL was RWD instead of FWD based AWD it would....

- have a much better weight distribution
- corner and handle better
- brake better
- get better fuel mileage
- accelerate better (probably mid/high-14's vs low-15's on the current car at the track)
- be about 300 lbs lighter down to around 3700 lbs which isn't bad these days
- have more interior room
- be a good bit cheaper

This is fundamental physics and there's no denying that. It "works" in that it's something better than FWD and gives the car market justification for pricing over $40k. At least on the RL, I see SH-AWD as nothing but a completely over-engineered gimmick to sell a more expensive FWD car.

HEY HONDA JUST MAKE A FRIGGIN RWD MID-SIZED CAR ALREADY!

As far as AWD systems in general, nobody really truly cares about what little benefits SH-AWD may give you except fanboys on forums. 99.9999% of people buying an AWD car just want to be able to handle snow and crappy weather and otherwise could care less. The only thing the RL has been successful at doing is stealing away a few sales from disgruntled Audi A6 owners, and then keeping Honda fans in the brand a bit longer before they too go off to the Germans or Lexus.

Edit: The S2000 as it is now is PERFECT. It's a little RWD roadster that handles awesome, and has a trademark high revving DOHC VTEC engine, and it looks great, the price is reasonable, and it's a blast to drive so long as you can find the right roads to drive it on. Putting a 5L V10 in that thing would be stupid because it would mess up the balance and nobody would buy one. For the price they'd charge I guarantee you that people would rather get a cranked up Benz or AMG type of car. Honda should leave the S2000 alone. It's a classic.
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Mitsubishi's Evolution has a weight distribution of 60/40, but that doesn't stop it from embarrassing higher priced cars.

I don't see how having 70% of engine torque available to be distributed laterally to the rear wheels is a disadvantage or a gimmick. Its a big advantage, its unfortunate that the RL suspension is more plush then go... The RDX has already proven that an SUV can handle like a car. I agree though currently the RL is too heavy, but I guess we will have to wait and see if the new TL or TSX will have SH-AWD to bring out its potential.

Mitsubishi's new S-AWC on the new Evo X was inspired by Honda's SH-AWD design.

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