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Well I am getting tired of my stock brake setup and would like to venture into the aftermarket. After getting my rims I noticed that I am looking at the brake rotors and calipers more and more. To be honest my old stock stuff looks like crap. I looked into getting some new brake rotors and brake pads on ebay and they all seem a like to me. What is the good, bad, and the ugly on brake components in general? (Good brands, good places to buy, Anything!) Also what about installing these bad boys. How hard is it, do you need air tools, special stuff, etc.? Thanks to all the replies in advance you guys are the best!!!

(I know some are wanting to see more of my ride since the lower and rims. I just gotta get it cleaned up and take some shots. Soon I promise!)
 

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for one, aftermarket brakes dont last near as long as oem, the rotors usually warp or crack within a year.. if your an every day driver then ive heard from a lot of people to stay with oem. I know i know their ugly, i have 18's 7 spoke so you can see them plain as day.. There is the give and take. You want good looking rotors but they are not gonna last long, oem looks crappy but they last a long time. If you get past that part Brembo seems to make good rotors. I would not buy off ebay, as the quality of the rotors is unknown. I would buy from a trusted site like tasauto.com or off any other performance/replacement sites you know of. Also if you get brake pads Carbomet pads are the way to go.. Hawk is one name i can pull off the top of my head. Carbomet is carbon fiber based compound that makes the pad that decreases rotor heat and also brake dust is dramatically decreased. Installing them is not easy especially if you dont have all the right equipment and you have no idea what your doing. there are special tools to take the calipers off i believe and to make matters worse, the front rotors on the 5th gens are pressed on so you would be way better off going to a shop.. if you do that, find a good shop that is excellent with brake work and knows what they are really doing that will install aftermarket material. Most shops will not install anything unless you buy through them (Incase they break something, then they can replace it) if you give them the parts you become responsible to replace anything if they break it... Also if you get aftermarket i wouldnt recommend getting the drilled and slotted, i would just get the flat or slotted, the less rotor you have the more quickly it will warp cause its that much weaker from missing material. Most kits you see are more practical if you want the "Show Quality" look but Oem will give you the dependablitly you need.. Kinda long but i hope that helps
 

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I agree with thundagoose mostly. Just to clarify difficulty of the job, there are no special tools required to take the calipers off, it's 2 bolts for the calipers and 2 more for the caliper brackets, just make sure you use line wrenches to take off the brake lines (and install some braided stainless steel lines while you're at it).
The part that is a serious pita is the damn rotors, 5th gen accords have a hub over rotor design, which means the hubs have to come off to get the rotors off (seriously it's the dumbest thing I've ever seen). Honestly if you're really going to do this I will give you a link to another accord forum that lists various brake/hub conversions for our cars, one of the options is swapping to a traditional rotor over hub design that will keep your car 4 lug so you can keep your wheels.

Just for reference I was trying to get my rotors off one day, I wound up having to use a torch and apply 800 ft.-lbs. of torque and I still couldn't get the hub nut off and I mangled the bar I was using, basically I need a 3/4 inch 1000 ft.-lb. impact gun to get my rotors off. This is one reason why hub over rotor sucks balls and everyone should convert theirs if they ever have the chance.
 

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I agree with thundagoose mostly. Just to clarify difficulty of the job, there are no special tools required to take the calipers off, it's 2 bolts for the calipers and 2 more for the caliper brackets, just make sure you use line wrenches to take off the brake lines (and install some braided stainless steel lines while you're at it).
The part that is a serious pita is the damn rotors, 5th gen accords have a hub over rotor design, which means the hubs have to come off to get the rotors off (seriously it's the dumbest thing I've ever seen). Honestly if you're really going to do this I will give you a link to another accord forum that lists various brake/hub conversions for our cars, one of the options is swapping to a traditional rotor over hub design that will keep your car 4 lug so you can keep your wheels.

Just for reference I was trying to get my rotors off one day, I wound up having to use a torch and apply 800 ft.-lbs. of torque and I still couldn't get the hub nut off and I mangled the bar I was using, basically I need a 3/4 inch 1000 ft.-lb. impact gun to get my rotors off. This is one reason why hub over rotor sucks balls and everyone should convert theirs if they ever have the chance.
Ok yeah wasnt sure about tools for the caliper.. And also its only the front rotors that is the hub over rotor design. If you happen to get the hub off, you have to have an special machine to press the hubs back in so they align right. You can press them in by other means but i highly recommend getting it done at a shop.. yeah.. I love doing my own work on my car but if your not experienced in brakes for a DIY you cant risk your safety like that (no offence).. Also Soldier are you still able to use the same rotors with the conversion or is it all special order things you need? anywhere to get these kits?

Oh yeah soldier when i got my rear brakes replaced, Midas told me it would take them 2 hours to pull the front rotors HAHA.. Midas i trust their work but they are damn expensive and i dont think i will go there again for anything.. they charged me $700 to replace both rear calipers/rotors/pads (all oem) including labor..
 

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take apart your brakes and lub the components every year :)
then you won't have that much of a problem to remove the brakes ;)
yes the system is dumb, but since we know about it, we can prevent it ;)

AXXIS and PBR makes superb pads
I have full ceramic on both cars and the bite is great
I just installed CRX SIR calipers on the civic and the bite is 15-20% more then SI stock calipers

Hawk pads are great, for autocrossing, not for daily driver
I've only heard complaints about dust from Hawk then any other

upgrading the brake lines is also very important
as well as flushing the brake system every year - it only costs 30$ ( max ) and you'll bleed out any air and have the best braking possible

you "can" upgrade to the 2 piston legend caliper system if you like ...
but with a good set of brembo blanks and quality pads, steel brake lines, bleeded out system, abs flush and cleaning you should be just fine

if you feel the need for cross drilled ( have on the civic ) they only offer Brembo Fronts drilled for V6
you'd need to order the 1994-1997 4 cylinder accord ABS Rear drilled set
 

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I posted a thread that listed all the possible brake swaps, I'll do a search right now, I know it requires new hubs and rototors though.
 

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Holy crap I found my brake thread and apparently it was stickied, I feel all special now....

Anyways here it is, http://www.v6performance.net/forums/showthread.php?t=72318, you can also find it stickied in the 5th gen faq section, one of the first swaps is titled simple rotor over hub conversion, listed there is all you need to do the swap to rotor over hub and still retain the stock lug pattern. Also note, the next one after that is the same swap with the addition of 2 piston calipers. 2 piston calipers with some brembo blank rotors is probably the absolute best bang for buck brake setup you can put in a 5th gen. And if you want'em to look pimp you can powdercoat (sp?) them (please don't just buy some caliper paint, it always winds up looking crappy, take the time to do it right and you'll only have to do it once)
 

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soldierdude262 said:
Holy crap I found my brake thread and apparently it was stickied, I feel all special now....

Anyways here it is, http://www.v6performance.net/forums/showthread.php?t=72318, you can also find it stickied in the 5th gen faq section, one of the first swaps is titled simple rotor over hub conversion, listed there is all you need to do the swap to rotor over hub and still retain the stock lug pattern. Also note, the next one after that is the same swap with the addition of 2 piston calipers. 2 piston calipers with some brembo blank rotors is probably the absolute best bang for buck brake setup you can put in a 5th gen. And if you want'em to look pimp you can powdercoat (sp?) them (please don't just buy some caliper paint, it always winds up looking crappy, take the time to do it right and you'll only have to do it once)

So is there anything to it? or do you just pull everything off and put it back together as ROH? Is it that easy or is it extensive work? Also forgot to add, best option would be to buy Brembo CL or Prelude blank rotors? Sorry im just not really brake smart lol.. and i thought you only needed wheel bearings for the HOR?
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well......the problem is gettin the new hubs pressed in, and the old hubs out. Unless you have a 3/4 inch air gun and a press, your best bet is to get the hubs from a junk yard to save $, and have a shop do the install of the new stuff with a press and the big air gun to get the old stuff out.


Edit, yes get brembo blanks for the cl, and the updates below refer to rotor and bracket combinations so make sure you red the new stuff I'm going to post tonight. You MAY need wheel bearing because you're using different hubs, the problem is that the where I got that infor from was for a site that was for 4 and 6 cylinder accords, I was able to weed out parts that we already have, but I was never clear on the hub issue, I'll do some research tonight.
 

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BTW there are/will be new updates to that brake swap thread I posted the link to, give me like 5 mintes after this post.
 

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Well now im confused.. I though the purpose of doing the swap to ROH was so that you dont have to pull the hubs and press them in.. So they still get pressed in but before you put on the rotors? .. :confused:
 

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You need new hubs because the hubs for ROH and HOR are different, and so are the rotors, which is why you need new rotors even though you're not changing the lug pattern
 

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grrr things I forgot are coming back to me now.......first, with the swap you're supposed to swap the wheel bearings too because the stock bearing won't fit with the ROH hubs, these need to be pressed in to the knuckle, THEN the hub is installed, it may be possible to do this without a press by tightening it down with the hub nut (please consult a mechanic on that note). The reason I think that is because the people I got my info from just take the whole damn knuckle/brake assemply out in their driveway, take the entire knuckle/brake assembly to a shop and take off the old parts, have the shop press in the bearings, and then install, hubs, rotors, and calipers in their driveway
 

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I'm trying to research and see if we even need to swap out the bearings, I'll post an update on the later, speaking of which the changes to that parts list are posted.
 

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You would think the NSX calipers would be better? is their a huge difference from those and the legend duel piston?


Edit* ok the Nsx calipers you cant use unless you go to 5 lug?
 

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That's a mistake, you can stay 4 lug and use the nsx calipers, and yes they would be better, but they cost alot and are hard to find.
 

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lol I wouldn't, i found them on importreplacementparts.com, along with the legend gs calipers, problem is they don;t have the nsx calipers in stock, buuut they have the absolute best price because they will accept your av6 calipers for the core, as unbeleivable as that sounds I called and talked to Mike and confirmed it. This makes it like 200 for nsx and 100 for legend calipers or somethin like that after you get the core charge back
 
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