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#1 · (Edited)
http://www.detnews.com/2004/autosinsider/0406/30/autos-199589.htm

Honda Motor Co. is widening a recall of vehicles in the U.S. and Canada to 1.14 million units, among its largest, covering Accord and Acura cars that have the same transmission fault that triggered a light-truck recall this year.

Japan’s third-largest automaker is voluntarily recalling 536,950 vehicles, with V-6 engines and 5-speed automatic transmissions, in addition to those already announced in April. The company is also recalling 79,531 units in Japan to fix faulty transmissions and fuel tanks, starting tomorrow.

The inspections and repairs will cost Honda about $63 million, in addition to the $153 million being spent on the light- truck portion of the recall, spokesman Andy Boyd said. In Japan, Honda is spending about $8.5 million on its recall.

Honda was runner-up to Toyota Motor Co.p. in an annual reliability study of three-year-old cars and trucks by J.D. Power & Associates in the U.S. Honda, Toyota and Nissan Motor Co., benefited from consumer perceptions that they build better vehicles to increase their U.S. market share to 24.1 percent last year from 22.2 percent, according to Autodata Corp.

Honda’s North American recall includes 2003- and 2004-model Accords, 2000- through early 2004-model Acura TL sedans, and 2001- through 2003-model Acura CLs, Boyd said. In April, the company recalled 600,000 U.S. and Canadian Odyssey minivans, and Pilot and Acura MDX sport-utility vehicles with the same transmission.

Shares of Honda, which ranks fifth in U.S. sales, fell 0.6 percent to 5,260 yen in Tokyo.

Japanese Recall

The Japanese recall covers 68,000 vehicles with gearbox defects, including Odyssey and Lagreat minivans. The Tokyo-based carmaker will also take back 11,531 Inspire sedans with faulty fuel pumps, spokesman Kazuhiro Suda said. There have been no accidents reported in Japan, the company said in a statement.

The problem results from insufficient lubrication of a transmission shaft that can overheat, potentially damaging gear teeth or causing the gears to break, Honda said in a statement.

The U.S. unit of Tokyo-based Honda has had only one reported incident of a transmission failing in the car models recalled and no reported accidents or injuries, Boyd said.

“We are acting out of an abundance of caution to ensure that this doesn’t become an issue for our customers,” Tom Elliot, Honda’s U.S. executive vice president, said in a statement. Customers will be notified by letter starting mid-July.

In most cases, the gears will be inspected and the flow of transmission fluid will be modified, Honda said. If damage from insufficient lubrication is found, the transmission will be replaced, the company said. Recall repairs typically are paid for out of reserves set aside for that purpose.

The Accord is Honda’s best-selling model, with annual sales in the U.S. and Canada exceeding 400,000.

Covers 7th gen V6 auto's :( :(
 
#6 ·
In case the story disappears off of that site, here it is.

Honda expands U.S. auto recall for transmission flaw


Bloomberg News

Honda Motor Co. is widening a recall of vehicles in the U.S. and Canada to 1.14 million units, among its largest, covering Accord and Acura cars that have the same transmission fault that triggered a light-truck recall this year.

Japan’s third-largest automaker is voluntarily recalling 536,950 vehicles, with V-6 engines and 5-speed automatic transmissions, in addition to those already announced in April. The company is also recalling 79,531 units in Japan to fix faulty transmissions and fuel tanks, starting tomorrow.

The inspections and repairs will cost Honda about $63 million, in addition to the $153 million being spent on the light- truck portion of the recall, spokesman Andy Boyd said. In Japan, Honda is spending about $8.5 million on its recall.

Honda was runner-up to Toyota Motor Co.p. in an annual reliability study of three-year-old cars and trucks by J.D. Power & Associates in the U.S. Honda, Toyota and Nissan Motor Co., benefited from consumer perceptions that they build better vehicles to increase their U.S. market share to 24.1 percent last year from 22.2 percent, according to Autodata Corp.

Honda’s North American recall includes 2003- and 2004-model Accords, 2000- through early 2004-model Acura TL sedans, and 2001- through 2003-model Acura CLs, Boyd said. In April, the company recalled 600,000 U.S. and Canadian Odyssey minivans, and Pilot and Acura MDX sport-utility vehicles with the same transmission.

Shares of Honda, which ranks fifth in U.S. sales, fell 0.6 percent to 5,260 yen in Tokyo.

Japanese Recall

The Japanese recall covers 68,000 vehicles with gearbox defects, including Odyssey and Lagreat minivans. The Tokyo-based carmaker will also take back 11,531 Inspire sedans with faulty fuel pumps, spokesman Kazuhiro Suda said. There have been no accidents reported in Japan, the company said in a statement.

The problem results from insufficient lubrication of a transmission shaft that can overheat, potentially damaging gear teeth or causing the gears to break, Honda said in a statement.

The U.S. unit of Tokyo-based Honda has had only one reported incident of a transmission failing in the car models recalled and no reported accidents or injuries, Boyd said.

“We are acting out of an abundance of caution to ensure that this doesn’t become an issue for our customers,” Tom Elliot, Honda’s U.S. executive vice president, said in a statement. Customers will be notified by letter starting mid-July.

In most cases, the gears will be inspected and the flow of transmission fluid will be modified, Honda said. If damage from insufficient lubrication is found, the transmission will be replaced, the company said. Recall repairs typically are paid for out of reserves set aside for that purpose.

The Accord is Honda’s best-selling model, with annual sales in the U.S. and Canada exceeding 400,000.
 
#7 ·
ironmonkey said:
Good find. GraphiteI4 your avatar, is that your pet cat?
iron - it's a user's cat from another forum. I would have never thought of putting a lime skin on a cat's head. :)
 
#9 ·
Wow...

The problem results from insufficient lubrication of a transmission shaft that can overheat, potentially damaging gear teeth or causing the gears to break
That's a new problem on top of the existing clutch pack issues. I wonder if the clutch pack issues are solved by now? Geez, even the 04 TL was included.
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I suspected that it was only a matter of time before that original recall expanded since these are all pretty much the same trannys.
 
#10 ·
Hey abram/SteVTEC - do you know why edited changes to the title don't appear in the forums? I edited the title to show it affects 7th gen V6's but the edited title doesn't display on the forum.
 
#12 · (Edited)
http://www.hondanews.com/CatID1000?mid=2004063039497&mime=asc

American Honda Expands Voluntary Transmission Recall to Certain Honda and Acura Automobiles

Torrance, Calif. 06/29/2004 -- American Honda Motor Co., Inc. today announced that it will expand its existing voluntary recall of light truck models for a potential transmission defect to include certain Honda and Acura passenger cars. The voluntary action involves approximately 499,000 Honda and Acura passenger vehicles with V6 engines and 5-speed automatic transmissions. Affected models include certain 2003 and early 2004 model Accord V6 sedans and coupes, 2000-2003 and early 2004 Acura TL sedans, and 2001-2003 Acura CL coupes.

The company has found only one confirmed instance of a transmission failure related to this defect in its passenger cars, with no accidents or injuries. "We are acting out of an abundance of caution to ensure that this doesn't become an issue for our customers,'" said Tom Elliott, executive vice president of American Honda Motor Co., Inc.

The situation is created by insufficient lubrication of the transmission's secondary shaft second gear that can occur under certain driving conditions. Prolonged operation under these conditions can lead to heat build-up and under certain circumstances may eventually result in chipped or broken gear teeth or breakage of the gear. In the event of a chipped or broken tooth, the owner will likely experience abnormal noise from the transmission and seek repairs. In rare instances, this condition may lead to gear breakage and possible locking of the vehicle's transmission, creating a potential safety hazard.

Owners of affected vehicles will be contacted via mail and will be asked to take their vehicle to an authorized Honda or Acura dealer to be repaired free of charge. Customer mailings will begin in late July. In most cases, the repair involves a simple gear inspection, which is accomplished without removing or disassembling the transmission, and a modification to increase the flow of transmission fluid to the affected gear. If there is any indication of damage to the gear, the dealer will replace the complete transmission assembly. Customers concerned about the condition of their vehicle may visit Honda's Ownerlink website at www.ahm-ownerlink.com. Customers may also contact their local Honda or Acura dealer or call Honda customer service at 1-800-999-1009 or Acura customer service at 1-800-382-2238.

Editor's note: This information is being released in conjunction with an announcement concerning a related recall action for Honda models in Japan.
http://www.hondanews.com/CatID1000?mid=2004041436013&mime=asc&archives=t

American Honda To Recall Certain Light Truck Vehicles to Repair Automatic Transmission

Torrance, Calif. 04/14/2004 -- American Honda Motor Co., Inc., today announced a voluntary recall of certain Honda and Acura light truck models equipped with V6 engines and five-speed automatic transmissions to inspect and repair a potential defect in the transmission.

The recall involves approximately 600,000 light trucks manufactured in the U.S. and Canada. Affected models include certain model year 2002, 2003 and early 2004 Honda Odyssey minivans; 2003 and early 2004 Honda Pilots; and 2001 and 2002 Acura MDX sport-utility vehicles.

The situation is created by insufficient lubrication of the transmission's secondary shaft second gear that can occur under certain driving conditions. Prolonged operation under these conditions can lead to heat build-up and under certain circumstances may eventually result in chipped or broken gear teeth or breakage of the gear. In the event of a chipped or broken tooth, the owner will likely experience abnormal noise from the transmission and seek repairs. In rare instances, this condition may lead to gear breakage and possible locking of the vehicle's transmission, creating a potential safety hazard.

This more severe condition is extremely rare and affects only vehicles with high mileage. To date, the company's records indicate only ten confirmed instances in the United States and Canada of this type of transmission failure, with no injuries or accidents as a result.

Owners of affected vehicles will be contacted via mail and will be asked to take their vehicle to an authorized Honda or Acura dealer to be repaired free of charge. In most cases, the repair involves a simple gear inspection, which is accomplished without removing or disassembling the transmission, and a modification to increase the flow of transmission fluid to the affected gear. If during the inspection the service technician discovers discoloration of the gear indicating heat damage, Honda will replace the transmission assembly at no cost to the customer. Owners will be notified by mail when parts are available for their model, with notifications going first to the oldest affected units. Customer mailings will begin in May and should be completed by September.

Details regarding mailing dates and affected vehicles will be available on the Honda and Acura Web sites before the end of April. Owners will be able to access this information by registering at the "Owner Link" section of www.honda.com or www.acura.com and entering the 17-digit vehicle identification number found on the driver's side dashboard near the bottom edge of the windshield.

Customers concerned about the condition of their vehicle may also contact their local Honda or Acura dealer, or call Honda customer service at (800) 999-1009 or Acura customer service at (800) 382-2238.
 
#13 ·
I was a little bit concerned when I saw this article this morning. I have a friend, Ushneb, who is also on this board who had a his transmission replaced on his 03 V6 earlier this year.

So I decided to call Honda at 1-800-999-1009, and ask them if I'm affected or not. The guy said yes. (Give him your VIN and he'll do some "research" and place you on hold.)

So he comes back, says I'm affected. They will inspect the gear. If the gear is fine, he said they will install a oil jet kit. If there's discoloration, then they'll replace the transmission with a rebuilt tranny.

Notices were sent out May 15, 2004 and will continue thur Sept. 2004. He also said to wait till I recieve the notice before I bring my car in. (Unless you know something is wrong with it.)

Hopes this info helps!
 
#15 ·
yeah. I was thinking it just sorta sounds like a "patch" (bandaid). Just like ETC on the V6 models will go a lot easier on the clutch packs. It's like you have a flaw in the system, but you just sorta design around it as best you can instead of fixing the actual problem.

Honda probably made a running change to newer transmissions, so I guess the "jet kit" is a retrofit option for existing trannys already in the field. It's probably the best they could do and a helluva lot cheaper than replacing the whole thing.
 
#17 ·
:rofl2:
 
#19 ·
yeah. I was thinking it just sorta sounds like a "patch" (bandaid). Just like ETC on the V6 models will go a lot easier on the clutch packs. It's like you have a flaw in the system, but you just sorta design around it as best you can instead of fixing the actual problem.

Honda probably made a running change to newer transmissions, so I guess the "jet kit" is a retrofit option for existing trannys already in the field. It's probably the best they could do and a helluva lot cheaper than replacing the whole thing.
Steve or plummy, can you kindly explain what does this jet kit would do? and how is it a bandage of the situation?
 
#20 ·
The "jet kit" would be internal to the tranny. It'd have a pickup somewhere and spray oil onto the gear or shaft that isn't getting lubricated or cooled properly.
 
#23 ·
brex said:
and who is to say the replaced "rebuilt" tranny is bullet-proof?
Honda would be flat out ridiculously stupid if the "rebuilt" trannys did not have the "fix" already integrated into it somehow. And FWIW, if I had an 03/04 Accord (or any other Honda for that matter), I would be fuming and demand a "brand new" transmission (with the "fix") instead of a rebuilt. 6th genners know how wonderful Honda's rebuilt trannys are. :rolleye2:
 
#25 · (Edited)
#26 ·
the "oil jet kit" looks nothing more than atf hoses/tubes that re-route or channel the atf fluid differantly :gotme: kinda pathetic if you ask me, how exactly will the ensure the proper gears are being lubed? it doesnt really. The speed countershaft hole is supposed to spray atf on the top of the gears and expect the s*it to work? I hope they thought this through. :rolleyes: