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A Detailed Look at Several Morimoto Mini H1 Shrouds

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#1 · (Edited)
Hi guys,

So here is the story. As many of you know, The Retrofit Source online: headlight upgrades for all applications sells a nice projector kit called the Morimoto Mini H1, which makes retrofitting quite attainable for the masses. They are currently on their 3rd revision of this product, and about to debut with a 4th, which features yet more improvements. A couple weeks ago I ordered the kit, and for some reason, they sent me revision 2, instead of 3. They have agreed to take the kit back, and ship me revision 4 when it comes out in the coming days. I do have to pay shipping to ship the stuff out, but they will pay for the shipping of the new set. Doesn't seem fair to me that I have to pay for shipping back to them when they did the order incorrectly, but that's another story.

Anyways, since I have to send a shipment back to them, i've decided in the meantime while they prepare revision 4 for sale, that I would order a bunch of shrouds, test fit them, and return whatever I don't want back with my set of mini h1's.

Here are my findings. We have 4 shrouds under review today.

1) The "Mini Gatling Gun." This is what most people choose with their order. It is a design specific for the morimoto mini h1 (and mini d2s, but not 100% sure on that) and comes free in the kit. Note: It is different in size, appearance, and installation procedure from the "Gatling Gun" and "Gatling Gun 2.0" premium shrouds that TRS sells.

2) The mini "graphite gray" shroud. This is an optional shroud that mini h1 buyers can opt for, to receive for free instead of the Mini Gatling gun.

3) Chrome version of the "graphite gray" shroud. This is not a product that TRS actually sells, but they do have them available very rarely if you ask over the phone. They only had 1 in stock when i placed my order, and even then they said that they just get them once in a blue moon by accident, and it is not their intention to have this product in stock. This product is actually entirely different in construction and installation from the graphite gray shroud, despite having similar outward appearances.

4) E-46-R. A replica of what certain BMW's have. Note, this is very different from e-46 R extended.

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Okay so first up,

Mini Gatling gun shroud:

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In these second and third pictures, I am trying to show how the shroud has left space between the black lens holder and the chromed shroud. This is due to 2 reasons:

1: Shroud may need modification for projector bowl to be compatible.

Earlier versions of the shroud attached by way of 3 clips on the inside that would click into the lens holder. It did have a proper orientation, so once on it was supposed to hold on quite well, but in reality, most people had to add silicone or epoxy of some sort to really make a reliable way of attaching it. And that makes it difficult to disassemble the projector in the future. People who didn't glue it had complained that when removing it, that some of these tabs would snap. Not good. The current version that is being sold screws into 4 posts. This is very sturdy, and reversible, but due to imprecision in the casting, sometimes the projector bowl and the shroud don't line up very well. See pictures of how 2 out of the 4 flanges can't be fully mated.

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On one projector, I was able to get around this by squeezing the shroud, and it flexed enough that i could fit it around the projector bowl flanges. On the other one though, the flanges were just too big and would need minor trimming if i were keeping these.

Now, even with that solved, you will still have some space between the mini gatling gun shroud and the lens holder. To truly fix this, you need to trim down the posts inside the shroud that the screws attach to. It only requires a little, but be patient with that dremel, as they can do a little of damage to both you and the shroud in a hurry. I used a reinforced disk and it work well.

Some comparison pics between an unmodified mini gatling gun shroud and a modified one.

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Notice the little "line" going in a ring? Try to trim the post to be just at the line, or a little below it.

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Okay, now your mini gatling gun shroud should be fully compatible with your morimoto mini h1 projector, however if you plan on installing it in your 6th gen headlights with this particular shroud., the bottom of the shroud will need trimming. There is a top and bottom to the shroud due to how the posts are spaced out. When trimming, try to only cut out the bottom biggest hump, and don't "connect" the bottom most 2 "vents"..All i can say is try to minimize trimming and test fit often. In a worst case scenario, the mini gatling shrouds are only $7.50 each, and shipping is only $3.50. Also, shipping is free for any orders over 30 bucks. So don't stress too much!

Now, onto the mini graphite shrouds.

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Okay what can I say...Their transparency notwithstanding, these shrouds are much better! They don't have any screws and posts to attach with, but rather, they are very compatible with the shroud centric rings that TRS sells. For some reason, i don't believe that TRS includes the shroud centric rings with the purchase, but they will throw them in for $5 bucks with your order if you ask over the phone. The rings are the black band near the top of the shroud. They make the shroud stay on super snugly, no silicone or glue required. Also, the shroud does an excellent job of being flush with the projector lens, and it conceals the lens holder perfectly. The only downside is that it will need some thorough dremeling to fit into a 6th gen accord headlight. From the top view, you can see the ring is more substantial than the mini gatling gun, which is nice, but problematic with the fairly small reflector buckets in our headlights.

In any other headlight though, and with some paint, i'd highly recommend them for ease of use and excellent compatibility. Also, I've read that they give off a pretty cool illuminated effect if left unpainted! Something to think about :)

Next is the elusive chrome version of the graphite shroud. Not sure if it's worth covering in detail since it is not available for sale through TRS on a regular basis..

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The shroud has 4 mounting posts like the mini gatling gun, but because it is a slightly larger shroud, there is no flange fitment issues to speak of. Also of note is that the shroud has a separate clear ring on top, which is intended for "angel eye" effects. There is a small hole at the bottom of backside of the angel eye to insert an LED, very cool. Also, the angel eye can be easily removed and reattached for custom painting projects.

The mini gatling gun, graphite gray shroud, and the angel eye/chrome version of the graphite gray shroud, are all geared towards the morimoto mini h1. Being that the mini h1 is an open projector, the shrouds all fully enclose the open space between the projector bowl and the lens.

I also purchased 1 value version of the e46 r (again, over the phone, since their website doesn't allow to order just 1 shroud at a time, only pairs). This shroud is not compatible at all with the morimoto mini h1, according to TRS. If you go to TRS's website, under shrouds, under shroud centric rings, under compatibility, you will find it says

Projectors
FX-R, Morimoto Mini H1, Morimoto Mini D2S
TRS Shrouds:
Apollo, E46-R Extended, Ocular, E55-R, GTi-R

So as you see, the non extended version of the e-46 replica is not compatible at all. I would not recommend this to others, but I was able to achieve good compatibility by taking a shroud centric ring, notching it, cutting it, trimming a cross-section out of it, and installing it into the shroud backwards (normally you slip the ring onto the projector first). Siliconing the centric ring to the shroud would be good too and will be my next step. Now that i have practiced cutting up a single value version of the e-46-r, i'll probably get a full set of full quality versions, will trim those, and transfer my centric rings to them. Even then, it won't be attached to the projector quite as sturdy as it is with screws or using centric rings between normally compatible stuff. Nonetheless, I think it makes for a nicer looking end product, so i'm going with that. If you are handy and creative i'm sure you can figure it out too.

And yes, I am using the flat bottom part as the top, and trimmed the hell out of the shroud to use it as the bottom. This is specifically for best results with 6th gen headlights.

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Also, note how the e-46 is not as long of a shroud. I will have to use aluminum tape to close off the open space between the projector bowl and the lens holder to keep too much light from escaping. Not sure how well it will hold up to heat though.

A picture of the mini gatling gun being test fitted (sorry for blurry pictures, these next 2 were with my cell phone, and note, the headlight does not have its bottom chrome parking light reflector installed at the time of pictures):

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A picture of e46 shroud being test fitted.

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This ^ is a preview of how my finished retro's will look.

Also, not sure where in my guide i should include these pictures, but pay attention to how snug the bottom of the projector assembly is to the reflector housing, at least on my depo headlights. This helps to show why shrouds that extend far back enough to cover the solenoid will need trimming on the bottom. In fact, I don't believe that there are any shrouds at all at this time that do not require trimming on the bottom.


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Also, after further review and measuring, I would advise against Apollo shrouds or E55 Benz shrouds. This user used the appollo shrouds and although there was clearance after trimming the bottom, a good portion of the lends holder is left exposed because the shroud must be slid back far enough to not interfere with the "blackhouse" trim. I personally do not like this appearance when used with a 6th gen accord headlight, but your preference may vary.

http://www.6thgenaccord.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31166&highlight=mini+h1

The E55 shroud has a similarly cylindrical shape, as opposed to have the sloped profile of the e46, so it also would stick out too far into where the headlight lens and blackhouse trim would be. The ocular should be considered, if you can get past the 2 tone texturing of it.

Thank you for your time in reading this, I hope it was of use to you.

For more information on installing mini h1's into 6th gens, check out these threads.

http://www.v6performance.net/forums...ums/6th-generation-honda-accord-1998-2002/208877-morimoto-mini-h1-retrofit.html

http://www.6thgenaccord.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29234

http://www.6thgenaccord.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30914&highlight=mini+h1

6th Generation 2002 Honda Accord V6 Mini H1 Retrofit Completed!!

http://www.6thgenaccord.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31166&highlight=mini+h1

http://www.6thgenaccord.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34744

http://www.v6performance.net/forums...onda-accord-1998-2002/210393-mh1-gen6-headlights-e46-shroud-dont-agree-lol.html

These don't use Mini h1's, but they might be some good inspiration for how you may choose to blackhouse yours, what to do with strips at bottom, etc.

HID ILLUSIONZ - THE HID RETROFIT SPECIALIST

Well, hope I don't get in trouble for posting to links from other websites, and happy retrofitting!!
 
#4 ·
But on my next retro I'm gonna go for a shroud that covers the projector well.
Didn't like how on the gatlins you can see the projectors in the headlights.
IMO go for with the e46s i just got mine in today, just waiting on the 4th version of the minis to come about.
 
#5 ·
Nice retros. Did you dremel the shroud in any other way beyond what I already detailed in my original post? Did your mini h1's sit as flush along the bottom edge as mine do? Because overall your projector seems to sit a bit higher-have they already been aimed in that picture? It almost looks like you didn't even have to trim the blackhoused part.

Good luck with the e46r, i like the look but wish it was directly compatible with the shroud centric rings. For that reason alone i would also suggest the appollo or ocular or perhaps even the e-46r extended.
 
#14 ·
First question: I dremmeled exactly the same way you did, but I also trimmed out the inner ring of the shrouds.
Highlighted in these pictures of yours.

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And in order to sit the projectors in some more, I cut out the place where the back of the projectors would hit the shrouds which was usually only the bottom half of the projectors, where the screws would have gone.

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Second question: Mine sat a little more flush than that, due to the mods I did.
Third question: Yes, they have already been aimed. And I know what you mean about them sitting higher and not hitting the bezel. I've seen others do that and had to cut either the bezel or the shrouds, but for some reason mine didn't do that.
The only downside to that is that when I drive, I can almost tell where the beams start hitting on the road. Kind of giving that "W" shape on the road.
 
#6 ·
UPDATE: I have ordered an ocular shroud and an E-46R Extended shroud for testing. Should be here middle of next week, and I will add info to the guide. I will not be pursuing gti-r as i feel that is too small to look good (might as well stay with mini gatling gun), and appollo and E55 won't fit that great either. Overall though, this will be a very comprehensive guide for mini h1 shrouds for 6th gen accord :)

ALSO, version 4 of the morimoto mini h1 is in stock as of today. For best results, i recommend ordering over the phone and having them send you an invoice to your paypal.
 
#15 ·
Thanks man! I don't have the full specs but from what I have read/been told, they will have better chroming on the reflector bowls, better solenoids so that the dreaded high beam stick does not occur, and a better locking screw that isn't so fragile.

So you don't have to rig it to be adjustable? The stock headlight aiming screws will move the projectors, or does it move the whole headlight?

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Correct, no rigging required. That's the appeal of the morimoto mini h1 and morimoto mini d2s. For 6th gens, H1 is recommended. You bake the headlight, remove the front lens, place the projector into the bulb hole (after removing the bulb cap which is held on by just a single screw), screw the locking nut onto the projector, trim the shroud and possibly the blackhoused sill, bake again and reassemble the headlight.

And yes the stock headlight screws move the reflector bowl. The oem high and low beam reflectors are one unit. The turn signal bowl is part of a different chunk of plastic which is what gets masked off and blackhoused. The stock aiming screws adjust the reflector bowl, and because the projectors are screwed into the bowl, they can thus be adjusted in this way.
 
#18 ·
Yeah the nature of the design of the mh1, which causes the projector lens to be closer to the headlight lens than traditional "hack, rig, and glue" retrofitting projects, causes the e55 to be tricky. Can you share some pics tho? I still think it would be valuable to get a rough idea.
 
#19 ·
Correct, no rigging required. That's the appeal of the morimoto mini h1 and morimoto mini d2s. For 6th gens, H1 is recommended. You bake the headlight, remove the front lens, place the projector into the bulb hole (after removing the bulb cap which is held on by just a single screw), screw the locking nut onto the projector, trim the shroud and possibly the blackhoused sill, bake again and reassemble the headlight.

And yes the stock headlight screws move the reflector bowl. The oem high and low beam reflectors are one unit. The turn signal bowl is part of a different chunk of plastic which is what gets masked off and blackhoused. The stock aiming screws adjust the reflector bowl, and because the projectors are screwed into the bowl, they can thus be adjusted in this way.
Oh wow, I might look into getting retros then. I was under the impression you had to ghetto rig them all with cut up soda cans, aluminum tape, and random screws. :)
 
#20 ·
lol that's somewhat insulting to the people who are skilled at the craft, and yet there is a fair amount of truth to it as well haha. But nope,that's for everything besides the morimoto mini. Actually there's another product with a similar concept regarding installation, called the G1, G3, G5, etc, but they are inferior to the Mini's in most regards, so just ignore those if you see anything about them.
 
#22 ·
Thanks for the info Rick! Sounds like you are having a good summer with your 6ga...Retro's AND coilovers, sweet! Let me know if those Function Forms offer a decent ride.

That's funny about the URL thing. Yeah I thought perhaps there were supposed to be doodles on all of the pics and accidentally uploaded the originals lol.

That's interesting that you had to mod your inner shroud ring. Like I said, on mine it doesn't seem to be an issue, but I did notice that you can give an even better fit if you sand down the top of the lends holder (After removing the lens temporarily, of course)

That is a great deal to get those mini's for $75. Did you notice if your mini's had washers between the lens holder and projector body? that's an easy way to tell if they are selling value versions of revision 2 or 3. I am def returning my revision 2's, and was planning on getting revision 4's, but if the value versions are revision 3, then i am tempted to get that and get 50 bucks back.

I'm a bit confused about where you are comparing our two mini's. In the picture where you holding it in your hand, it does look to be rightside up, so the solenoid is out of view (its hidden in the shadow of your palm)

Your minis DID have solenoids and wiring, right? They are bixenon right?

Did you have to cut your mini gatling shrouds at the bottom to fit into the oem reflectors?

BTW you should get chromed turn signals. They glow orange when you turn them on for a turn or hazards, but look chrome the rest of the time. And they are cheap too, like 8 shipped on ebay. I got a set that i will be using with my retro :)

I see what you mean now about the W shaped lighting. I don't know what the solution to that is. Maybe they are not aimed 100% correctly? Also, I've read of some pioneering H1 buyers have created "foreground limiter shields" for their mini's, similar to what Acura 3rd gen TL projectors have. This might be a step in the right direction.
 
#23 ·
I think the issue with the W effect is that the are sitting too high.

Yeah I know which bulbs your talking about, they are amber but are coated metallic i have those with my red/clear tails. I just like the amber/projector/yellow effect it gives the headlights and I also had them with my last headlight setup they were S2k retros with the OEM look,

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still have them just wanted to make minis to stop feeling so intimidated by how to make retros. I got my s2k retros for $450, that was a steal. Now I'm going to give them my own taste to it.

I didn't cut my shrouds in order for them to fit into the relfectors. Yes they are Bi-Xenon and also fully funtional :up:
 
#24 ·
Ah I see what you mean. I'm trying to go for a straight up black and chrome look, no yellow or amber. Nice s2k retro's, looks like they were made with e55, which fits in quite nicely when using an oem projector that needs to be mounted "the real way" instead of the easy peasy morimoto way hahaha.

How do you like performance of your mini's versus the s2k?

That really puzzles me how you didn't have to cut the bottom of the shroud. I suspect that is due to using oem headlights, i've read about them having dimensionally larger reflector buckets.

For example, look at this thread: 6th Generation 2002 Honda Accord V6 Mini H1 Retrofit Completed!

On the other hand, it's possible that because you didn't trim the bottom of your shroud, it's pushing the projector into an upward angle, hence the unusual "W" output. Do you have enough internal clearance to reaim the headlight using the stock aiming dials? Let us know if you make any progress with fixing that "w" problem.

Also, I wish i could figure out why you said our mini's don't look the same at the bottom (if the shroud is removed)...lol they should look the same!
 
#27 ·
no, I do not recommend trimming your reflectors in general. If anything, you will have to trim the bottom edge of the shroud/bezel. the mini graphite shrouds are semi-transparent and as such keep in mind you will have a lot of light bleeding out through them...I've never seen them installed and on but I would imaging the entire shroud will be glowing...which may not look too great, but give it a shot!
 
#31 ·
Yeah I said they fit well onto the projector itself but will need trimming to fit into a 6th gen accord reflector bucket. Some people have said it looks cool, i personally would prefer something more OEM looking. Yes, there are no pictures available when i checked last summer.
 
#34 ·
Hi all.
I'm new here and I'm really impressed with photos of your retrofit projector headlights.
I'm wonder if any body can provide me a link where I can order for my 1999 Honda Accord.
I really like how they look.

Thanks in advance.
 
#35 ·
I'm trying to modify my stock headlights with Bosch retrofit projectors (9006 socket) and got stuck with headlight projectors that hard to cut in order to fit retrofit projectors.

Any advise would be really appreciated.

Thanks.
 
#36 ·
I used the products from theretrofitsource.com which require relatively little cutting. Using projectors from other vehicles does require a lot of cutting. There are DIY threads on the internet for this, but just remember: Measure twice, cut once ;)