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Discussion starter · #22 ·
Pretty much. I was testing E-Manage and it showed total duty cycle at 83% while the normal duty came to 71% as expected :D

Here is the real time screen :naughty:

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Discussion starter · #24 ·
:yes: it's a nice program to deliver enough fuel and has an ability to add additional injector(s) if necessary. And as you can see it can retard timing which is very important when you in boost where I set the starting point at 6000rpm all the way to redline :D. Actually, the current setting are -1 degrees at 6K and -2 at 6,5K rpm since I added more fuel.
 
02AV6 said:
I'm not just busy lately ;)

Updated page 1 (post #9) - J30A1/J30A1 and J30A1/J32A2 options.

Next are write up on J32A2/J32A2 and J35A4/J32A2. The reason I say J35A4 (specifically '04 MDX pistons) because it might work our with better clearance on J32A2 valves when bolting up J32A2 heads. Will find out soon with upcoming details.

Stay tune....
Are the pistons different from 01-02 and 03-04 MDx?
 
Discussion starter · #26 ·
CL SLeePeR said:
Are the pistons different from 01-02 and 03-04 MDx?
Don't know. I will find out in a couple of days however, if '04 MDX pistons are different from '04 Odyssey ;)
 
Discussion starter · #28 · (Edited)
CL SLeePeR said:
This will be very interesting.. Will you be taking measurements? or just test fitting? I sense an upgrade in your future.. near future that is.. :D
Not needed. Odyssey valve pockets = MDX. Same pistons.

:gotme: on second question :D
 
Discussion starter · #29 · (Edited)
Here are the swap options along with brief advantage(s)/disadvantage(s):

BLOCK/HEADS (incl. manifold (upper/lower), tb)
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J30A1/J30A1
advantage: no modification needed.
disadvantage: no torque until turbo/sc kicks in.

J30A1/J32A2
advantage: mid-range and top-end power
disadvantage: J30A1 pistons have to be modified to fit large J32A2 (intake) valves.
Not much torque until turbo/sc kicks in.

J32A2/J32A2
advantage: no modification needed, mid-range, top-end power.
disadvantage: torque is still ok but better than J30A1

J35A4/J30A1 (Odyssey '02-04/ '00-02 Accord V6)
advantage: no modifications needed, adequate torque, adequate mid-range
disadvantage:needed better cams, large intake valves for overal better powerband, top-end power

Option 1:
If budget is limited the solution is to swap J32A2 (CL-S/TL-S) cams into stock J30A1(Accord V6) cyl. heads (see sticky CL-S swap and Cam machining).

Option 2:
Get J32A2 (CL-S/TL-S) complete cyl. heads + IM (intake manifold)
But requires different pistons :p (see J35/J32 below) to clear J32A2 valves.

J35A3/J35A3 (Acura MDX '01-02), J35A4/J35A4 (Honda Odyssey '02-04)
advantage: no modifications needed, great torque, nice mid-range
disadvantage: little less air flow than J32A2 but very close.

This option looks like a good choice if getting the complete engine or even separate short block and cyl. heads/manifold due to a price. And MDX the cyl. heads are the same part # as CL-S, however intake valves and cams are different than CL-S but overall much better than pathetic AV6.

J35A1/J32A2 (Odyssey '01/CL-S '01-03)
advantage: great entire powerband and especially torque.
disadvantage: Need CL-S or RL pistons.

Note: Same options apply as listed below.

J35A3/J32A2 ('01-02 MDX/CL-S '01-03) or J35A4/J32A2 (Odyssey '02-04/CL-S '01-03)
advantage: great entire powerband and especially torque.
disadvantage: Need CL-S or RL pistons.

There are also couple options:

Option 1
With '01-02 complete MDX block or '02-04 Odyssey complete block (crank/rods/pistons) it is required to purchase 2005 Acura RL pistons (new set $50 each) This is a best option still since these pistons have clearance for large 36mm J32A2 (intake) valves thus no modification needed. Despite the fact they have higher 11.0:1 CR still even supercharger can be used here with low boost up to 7psi intercooled (assuming safe AFR). In addition, if 11:1 CR is too high for you, you can use '03 CL-S pistons with 10.5:1 CR.

Option 2
'01-03 J32A2 block (CL-S)
Required to purchase the following:

-= hondaautomotiveparts.com =-
'02-'04 Odyssey (crankshaft)
Product No. 368270 or
Honda part #13310-PGK-A00

'02-'04 Odyssey (connecting rod)
Product No. 368269 or
Honda part #13210-PGK-A00

Main bearings + rod bearings

-= acuraautomotiveparts.org =-
'03 CL-S (pistons) - 10.5:1 CR or
'05 RL (pistons) - 11.0:1 CR

pistons rings (per chosen model)

Note: Odyssey pistons do not have clearance to fit large 36mm J32A2 (intake) valves. Solution - custom job to increase valve pockets.

BTW, The only advantage to get J32A2 block is due to better cylinder sleeves to withstand heat designed for higher redline vehicle, otherwise depending on the price Odyssey or MDX block are the best bet.

Keep in mind, J35A5 '03-04 MDX will not fit on 6th gen. AV6/CL/TL/CL-S/TL-S due to different design, and looks like only for 7th gen. AV6.

Edit: The correct valve dimensions now stand as follows: incl. J30A4/J32A4

J30A1 '98-02 AV6: 34mm/29mm (intake/exhaust)
J30A4 '03+ AV6: 35mm/30mm

J32A1 '01-03' TL/CL: 34mm/30mm
J32A2 '01-03 TL-S/CL-S: 36mm/30mm
J32A4 '04+ TL: 35mm/30mm

J35A1 '99-01 Odyssey: 34mm/29mm
J35A4 '02-04 Odyssey: 35mm/30mm
 
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Excellent!!! Very useful info for all the true V6P AV6 performance gearheads working on their project cars. :wink: :D

Thanks again for sharing Serge! :clap: :up:
 
Discussion starter · #39 ·
Edited with confirmed info ^ regarding J35A4/J32A2 swap :up2:
 
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