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Hey serge....NVA-AV6 told me that the j35a3 wont bolt to any of the 6th or 7th gen tranny's...do you have any further insight to this??....
NVA-AV6 - "The J35A3 block will not bolt up to any of our 6th or 7th gen trannys, you need a J32A3 block. I get the block new from Acura for $600 shipped.".....
I must have missed something. Post # 361 states we can use the J35A3 and A4 in the 6th gen. without modification.
 
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Hey serge....NVA-AV6 told me that the j35a3 wont bolt to any of the 6th or 7th gen tranny's...do you have any further insight to this??....
NVA-AV6 - "The J35A3 block will not bolt up to any of our 6th or 7th gen trannys, you need a J32A3 block. I get the block new from Acura for $600 shipped.".....
Disagree.
J35A3 is from '01-02 MDX and 6th gen 4AT should fit right in into that block. It's identical to J35A4 '02-04 Odyssey. Several swaps have been done with both on AV6 and I never heard from my mechanic any fitment issues.

J35A5 MDX is the one that wont work on either generation.
And J32A3 won't work on 6th gen. AV6. See my list above.
 
Disagree.
J35A3 is from '01-02 MDX and 6th gen 4AT should fit right in into that block. It's identical to J35A4 '02-04 Odyssey. Several swaps have been done with both on AV6 and I never heard from my mechanic any fitment issues.

J35A5 MDX is the one that wont work on either generation.
And J32A3 won't work on 6th gen. AV6. See my list above.
Any of the J35 engine's that are compatible with the 6th Gen V6 Accord compatible with the Comptech S/C?

Between the J35A3 and J35A4, which would be a better swap and can either be used(probably with negative results) with the 6th Gen V6 tranny?
 
Ok, this is drving me crazy, I have a J35A3(from a core engine) , J30A4, J32A3 blocks, I know for a fact that the J35A3 bell housing pattern is different from the J30A4/5 and J32A3.

Now I have gotten conflicting information from several memebers about the compatability of J30A1/J32A2 and 7th gen MTs, if 7th gen trannies were compatabile then the J35A3 would not be.

I will be crating NicePetas engine eaither tonight or tomorrow night and will get pics with a rulers of all three of the blocks I have on hand, can some on here get pics of both the J30A1 and the J32A2 blocks with a ruler so that we can compare them all and put this one to bed, I am not trying to start a fight, just want us all on the same page with facts to back us all up with.
 
Ok, this is drving me crazy, I have a J35A3(from a core engine) , J30A4, J32A3 blocks, I know for a fact that the J35A3 bell housing pattern is different from the J30A4/5 and J32A3.

Now I have gotten conflicting information from several memebers about the compatability of J30A1/J32A2 and 7th gen MTs, if 7th gen trannies were compatabile then the J35A3 would not be.

I will be crating NicePetas engine eaither tonight or tomorrow night and will get pics with a rulers of all three of the blocks I have on hand, can some on here get pics of both the J30A1 and the J32A2 blocks with a ruler so that we can compare them all and put this one to bed, I am not trying to start a fight, just want us all on the same page with facts to back us all up with.
I hear ya. Someone here, ( I think RichieV6 ) has a 05 TL MT mated to his J30A1. I have a completely stripped bare J30A1 block on a stand. Let me know if i can help.
 
First I must appologize, after cleaning the block tag with a flat file so I could read it, I have a J35A5 block, not a A3 block like I thought, damn corrosion.

Anyway I will still post pics tomorrow of the J32A3 which is exactly the same as a J30A4/5 and the J35A5 for kicks. I would still like to see shots of a J30A1 and J32A2 and if possible a J35A3.

As stated in the top post of this page by 02AV6, no the J35A5 will also not bolt up to the 7th gen eaither, so that is out, PCH found this out the hard way $$$$. Also he talks of using the Oddessy internals for stroking out to 3.5L, although these will do the job and are cheaper, I use the 06 Pilot crank and 07 Ridgeline rods, these are the same parts as used in a 04-06 MDX and are billit forged, not powder forged like the oddessy and J30A4/5 rods, so these are stronger options than the oddesy parts (better for FI application for sure). Also another item that can be added to the list if going to 20mm wide timing belt application like the J30A4/5, J32A3 are the new 07TL-S hollow cams, these have much greater VTec duration and are over a pound lighter than stock solid cams, they also seem to be forged, I have a idea of how to retrofit A1/A2 timing setups to accept the 20MM wide belt, just need a engine to fit it on to test it with.
 
Also another item that can be added to the list if going to 20mm wide timing belt application like the J30A4/5, J32A3 are the new 07TL-S hollow cams, these have much greater VTec duration and are over a pound lighter than stock solid cams, they also seem to be forged, I have a idea of how to retrofit A1/A2 timing setups to accept the 20MM wide belt, just need a engine to fit it on to test it with.
Damn if only you were a LOT closer I would let you test fit them on my car :)

There might be some shots of the J30A1 in the 6spd harness thread that Richie_V6 started. SIRSIG also has a thread where he has some pics of the J32A2 when he was getting a new flywheel and clutch kit, there might be some pics of the J30A4 in tehre as well.
 
First I must appologize, after cleaning the block tag with a flat file so I could read it, I have a J35A5 block, not a A3 block like I thought, damn corrosion.
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As stated in the top post of this page by 02AV6, no the J35A5 will also not bolt up to the 7th gen eaither, so that is out.Also he talks of using the Oddessy internals for stroking out to 3.5L, although these will do the job and are cheaper, I use the 06 Pilot crank and 07 Ridgeline rods, these are the same parts as used in a 04-06 MDX and are billit forged, not powder forged like the oddessy and J30A4/5 rods, so these are stronger options than the oddesy parts (better for FI application for sure).
:siren:

I don't think J30A4 or A5---'06 Pilot---'07 Ridgeline---'07 TL Type S cranks and rods or heads and blocks can fit J30A1 AV6 or J35A4 '02-04 Odyssey or wise versa. I remember reading it.

And Serge (02AV6) already mentioned in this thread that J35A5 won't work on 6th nor 7th gen. Looks like he had no time or forgot to update his list.
02AV6 said:
J35A5 MDX is the one that wont work on either generation
 
Here are the swap options along with brief advantage(s)/disadvantage(s):

BLOCK/HEADS (incl. manifold (upper/lower), tb)
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J30A1/J30A1
advantage: no modification needed.
disadvantage: no torque until turbo/sc kicks in.

J30A1/J32A2
advantage: mid-range and top-end power
disadvantage: J30A1 pistons have to be modified to fit large J32A2 (intake) valves.
Not much torque until turbo/sc kicks in.

J32A2/J32A2
advantage: no modification needed, mid-range, top-end power.
disadvantage: torque is still ok but better than J30A1

J35A4/J30A1 (Odyssey '02-04/ '00-02 Accord V6)
advantage: no modifications needed, adequate torque, adequate mid-range
disadvantage:needed better cams, large intake valves for overal better powerband, top-end power

Option 1:
If budget is limited the solution is to swap J32A2 (CL-S/TL-S) cams into stock J30A1(Accord V6) cyl. heads (see sticky CL-S swap and Cam machining).

Option 2:
Get J32A2 (CL-S/TL-S) complete cyl. heads + IM (intake manifold)
But requires different pistons :p (see J35/J32 below) to clear J32A2 valves.

J35A3/J35A3 (Acura MDX '01-02), J35A4/J35A4 (Honda Odyssey '02-04)
advantage: no modifications needed, great torque, nice mid-range
disadvantage: little less air flow than J32A2 but very close.

This option looks like a good choice if getting the complete engine or even separate short block and cyl. heads/manifold due to a price. And MDX the cyl. heads are the same part # as CL-S, however intake valves and cams are different than CL-S but overall much better than pathetic AV6.

J35A1/J32A2 (Odyssey '01/CL-S '01-03)
advantage: great entire powerband and especially torque.
disadvantage: Need CL-S or RL pistons.

Note: Same options apply as listed below.

J35A3/J32A2 ('01-02 MDX/CL-S '01-03) or J35A4/J32A2 (Odyssey '02-04/CL-S '01-03)
advantage: great entire powerband and especially torque.
disadvantage: Need CL-S or RL pistons.

There are also couple options:

Option 1
With '01-02 complete MDX block or '02-04 Odyssey complete block (crank/rods/pistons) it is required to purchase 2005 Acura RL pistons (new set $50 each) This is a best option still since these pistons have clearance for large 36mm J32A2 (intake) valves thus no modification needed. Despite the fact they have higher 11.0:1 CR still even supercharger can be used here with low boost up to 7psi intercooled (assuming safe AFR). In addition, if 11:1 CR is too high for you, you can use '03 CL-S pistons with 10.5:1 CR.

Option 2
'01-03 J32A2 block (CL-S)
Required to purchase the following:

-= hondaautomotiveparts.com =-
'02-'04 Odyssey (crankshaft)
Product No. 368270 or
Honda part #13310-PGK-A00

'02-'04 Odyssey (connecting rod)
Product No. 368269 or
Honda part #13210-PGK-A00

Main bearings + rod bearings

-= acuraautomotiveparts.org =-
'03 CL-S (pistons) - 10.5:1 CR or
'05 RL (pistons) - 11.0:1 CR

pistons rings (per chosen model)

Note: Odyssey pistons do not have clearance to fit large 36mm J32A2 (intake) valves. Solution - custom job to increase valve pockets.

BTW, The only advantage to get J32A2 block is due to better cylinder sleeves to withstand heat designed for higher redline vehicle, otherwise depending on the price Odyssey or MDX block are the best bet.

Keep in mind, J35A5 '03-04 MDX will not fit on 6th gen. AV6/CL/TL/CL-S/TL-S due to different design, and looks like only for 7th gen. AV6.

Edit: The correct valve dimensions now stand as follows: incl. J30A4/J32A4

J30A1 '98-02 AV6: 34mm/29mm (intake/exhaust)
J30A4 '03+ AV6: 35mm/30mm

J32A1 '01-03' TL/CL: 34mm/30mm
J32A2 '01-03 TL-S/CL-S: 36mm/30mm
J32A4 '04+ TL: 35mm/30mm

J35A1 '99-01 Odyssey: 34mm/29mm
J35A4 '02-04 Odyssey: 35mm/30mm

All these engines listed above have the same mounting points? Same exhaust ports?
Trying to upgrade my sand car from a J30A1 and looking for the biggest motor that will accept all my custom parts made for the 3.0 sand car.
I need the motor mounts, trans (bell housing) pattern and exhaust pattern the same.
Also the intake height and length.
The 02-04 Odyssey motor the biggest?

I have been trying to give myself a crash course by reading but not coming up with the correct answers.
Thanks for any input!
 
All these engines listed above have the same mounting points? Same exhaust ports?
Trying to upgrade my sand car from a J30A1 and looking for the biggest motor that will accept all my custom parts made for the 3.0 sand car.
I need the motor mounts, trans (bell housing) pattern and exhaust pattern the same.
Also the intake height and length.
The 02-04 Odyssey motor the biggest?

I have been trying to give myself a crash course by reading but not coming up with the correct answers.
Thanks for any input!
I started out with a 3.0L in my sandcar and updgraded to a 3.5.
I found a low mile '01 3.5 oydssey J35A1 short block (cheap) 9.4 comp and put a '01 3.2 J32A1 top end on it. It was very affordable but I did the work myself. It runs 7# of boost and an intercooler.
 
That looks real clean. Suspension Unlimited frame? How much more HP did you get by using the J32 topend?
I went ahead and bought a low mile J35A4.
That is 42 more HP/44tq. than I had, so I think in a 1600lb car I should be able to feel the difference.
I talked to a local "honda" guy that does sandcars and he said that if I turbo charge it I will be putting out 325+ HP. I am running a 091, so I figure I will wait for the turbo when I have time this summer to put a mendeola trans.
 
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